Bastet and Sekhmet

I've been wondering lately about the identities of Bastet and Sekhmet. Are these merely differentiated aspects of Aset, or completely different beings? One of the names of Bastet is "soul of Isis", yet she is supposedly born of Aset and Ra, and I am a bit confused as to why Aset would produce any offspring with Ra given their tumultuous history.

Consensus among several knowledgable Asetianists seems to be that Bastet was once an important Asetian Elder during the Sep Tepy period, hence the title "soul of Isis". Possibly part of the royal family and also a general in the Asetian army. It's likely that her being an offspring of Aset and Ra was a later human adaptation into their mythology. In fact, many names we find in Egyptian mythology depicted as deities were once living beings incarnated on this Earth, some Asetian but others Sethian like is the iconic example of Sobek.

Thank you Jonathan, this makes sense to me.

Do all Asetians have some feline heritage, or are they more diverse in terms of origins? I am trying to figure out what is actually true in the accounts and theories put forth about starseeds, and how that intersects with the history of the Asetians.

Diverse. Not all Asetians are of a feline nature.

Same thing for the Sethians. You see that the crocodile of often associated with their bloodline but that can't be generalized to all Sethian forces.

Jonathan wrote:Diverse. Not all Asetians are of a feline nature.

Same thing for the Sethians. You see that the crocodile of often associated with their bloodline but that can't be generalized to all Sethian forces.

Intersting Jonathan, have you actually met Asetians?

If I said yes, would you believe it?

IMIblis, no valid Asetianist would answer that question so openly online. 
Especially since there are so many illegitimate claims floating around where people try to flaunt something for imaginary status. 
Asetianism is quite opposed to such arrogant posturing and you shouldn't believe claims easily.

By the way, that wasn't aimed at Jonathan, of course.

Jonathan wrote:If I said yes, would you believe it?

I have no reason to doubt your honesty. If you told me, yes and you did not, it really only discredits you, not me.

You should doubt anyone that claims to be friends with the Asetians. That was the point of my question.

There are those who know them, those of us who have been in the community for a long time may even know who they are but one thing they have in common, they do not openly speak about it.

Jonathan wrote:they do not openly speak about it.

Why not? I don't get the clandestine thing, if you have met a certain person then you have met them, what is the harm about admitting that? If that person divulged occult secrets to you and you are sworn to secrecy, then that I can understand.

A majorly important theme in Asetianism is that of honor. In addition to this, silence. That doesn't simply mean physical silence or isolation either, but goes into a deeper principle that is required as a foundation of occult study, especially anything involving Asetianism.
Anyone who would say they know Asetians, especially in such an open way on a public board, can easily be identified as a fake.
What would be the purpose of anyone claiming such a thing to those outside of any kind of inner circle of scholars? To need to claim it or "admit it", one would have to be doing so to someone without contact or access. What would be the point of doing so? Is it enhancing or enriching anyone's life? Is it providing enlightenment and personal growth? The answer to all of those is no, of course. The only thing it does is inflate the person's ego doing the claiming.
One thing many people don't seem to understand is that such low behaviors, like going around claiming to know Luis Marques for example or any other Asetian, signal in quite a clear way that the person definitely wouldn't have the character to be trusted. Someone that led by their ego is definitely a shaky, rather dubious place to put trust in.
Of all the people who have openly claimed contact, access, or friendship, those cases all proved to be quite fake and made by those trying to get attention in some narcissistic way or another. Particularly an infamous case of someone who has been repeatedly banned from here, under multiple accounts, for the typical drama, and who seems to enjoy claiming in places like VCN that he knew the author personally.
These things always seem to come up, and I suspect there will always be people who refuse to comprehend why outward claims like that are rather low and the opposite of what one could see from someone who has passed certain gates of fume.

I agree with the information about Bastet. Actually, many "goddesses" and "gods" were in fact Asetians, such as Ptah and Sekhmet.
Personally, I don't put as much stock as I used to in what I find while researching around about children born of both Aset and Ra. Many of those cases were actually Asetians and those would purely contain the essence and "blood" of Aset only, not any other deity.

We really do not have any problem here with contacting real info regarding the group.   We have a Demi-God that comes by every so often and will post a few times a year.  

He is known here by the name of Victor.....

Demi-God definition.....a being with partial or lesser divine status, such as a minor deity, the offspring of a god and a mortal, or a mortal raised to divine rank.

of course, he will deny it, but we all know.....

Rhea Kaye wrote:A majorly important theme in Asetianism is that of honor. In addition to this, silence. That doesn't simply mean physical silence or isolation either, but goes into a deeper principle that is required as a foundation of occult study, especially anything involving Asetianism.
Anyone who would say they know Asetians, especially in such an open way on a public board, can easily be identified as a fake.
What would be the purpose of anyone claiming such a thing to those outside of any kind of inner circle of scholars? To need to claim it or "admit it", one would have to be doing so to someone without contact or access. What would be the point of doing so? Is it enhancing or enriching anyone's life? Is it providing enlightenment and personal growth? The answer to all of those is no, of course. The only thing it does is inflate the person's ego doing the claiming.
One thing many people don't seem to understand is that such low behaviors, like going around claiming to know Luis Marques for example or any other Asetian, signal in quite a clear way that the person definitely wouldn't have the character to be trusted. Someone that led by their ego is definitely a shaky, rather dubious place to put trust in.
Of all the people who have openly claimed contact, access, or friendship, those cases all proved to be quite fake and made by those trying to get attention in some narcissistic way or another.

I'm not getting it, but that's me I suppose. I personally know several well known 'occultists' (for lack of a better word) as well as religious figures. They would have no problem if I mentioned that I met them, I certainly don't see anything dishonorable in that. It seems like some kind of unnecessary elitist posturing, to me it does anyhow.

Do any of those occultists you reference live more so in another dimension, or do you mainly find their location is more attached to the physical realm here? This could possibly be the difference for you to compare...

If you feel the need to name-drop about knowing certain Asetians or being in contact with the Order or what have you, that would prove you didn't have a clue about their ways, culture, or mindset. And such a fact would disprove the possibility of knowing any of them, since that culture is highly safeguarded and it is unmistakably difficult to fall through the fume and get closer. It is well-known that many have tried, even for years upon years, only for their quest to end in frustration, disappointment or even insanity.
This isn't about a random religious figure being okay with someone mentioning that they shook their hand one time on the street at a parade. This is the Asetian culture we're talking about, which is an entirely different realm. Their strict policies focusing on honor, trust, loyalty, secrecy and silence are quite unshakable. I can't imagine anyone with a penchant for careless name-dropping and bragging to last very long around them.
Those who fail to understand this simple fact (and there are many) will just end up wandering around in delusion, and their very own lack of integrity will ironically take them further away from the thing they deeply desire.
Just my own thoughts...

Rhea Kaye wrote:If you feel the need to name-drop about knowing certain Asetians or being in contact with the Order or what have you, that would prove you didn't have a clue about their ways, culture, or mindset. And such a fact would disprove the possibility of knowing any of them, since that culture is highly safeguarded and it is unmistakably difficult to fall through the fume and get closer. It is well-known that many have tried, even for years upon years, only for their quest to end in frustration, disappointment or even insanity.
This isn't about a random religious figure being okay with someone mentioning that they shook their hand one time on the street at a parade. This is the Asetian culture we're talking about, which is an entirely different realm. Their strict policies focusing on honor, trust, loyalty, secrecy and silence are quite unshakable. I can't imagine anyone with a penchant for careless name-dropping and bragging to last very long around them.
Those who fail to understand this simple fact (and there are many) will just end up wandering around in delusion, and their very own lack of integrity will ironically take them further away from the thing they deeply desire.
Just my own thoughts...

Well Jonanthan's statement "Not all Asetians are of a feline nature." suggests he has met Asetians, how else would he know not all of them are of a feline nature? That in and of itself is a declaration of having met more than one Asetian.

IMIblis wrote:I'm not getting it, but that's me I suppose. I personally know several well known 'occultists' (for lack of a better word) as well as religious figures. They would have no problem if I mentioned that I met them, I certainly don't see anything dishonorable in that. It seems like some kind of unnecessary elitist posturing, to me it does anyhow.

It's not elitist at all, although I understand how it may look that way to outsiders. It's actually a very clever system, in a modern time where everyone makes all sorts of false claims with a lot of pretending and role-playing, the Asetians keep their legendary system intact and uncorrupted. It's actually quite an achievement. What the uninitiated may describe as elitism is actually one of the several security mechanisms put in place so that their wisdom doesn't get wasted on those who would seek it for fame, ego and other forms of cultural and metaphysical corruption.

Many may not like it but it's incredibly effective. Their history proves it.

IMIblis wrote:Well Jonanthan's statement "Not all Asetians are of a feline nature." suggests he has met Asetians, how else would he know not all of them are of a feline nature? That in and of itself is a declaration of having met more than one Asetian.

Not at all, there are many scholars of the Asetian tradition and culture out there, with knowledge not only of their history but also of their practices, spirituality and magick.

In fact, Asetianism isn't exclusively for Asetian use, it's an open system to anyone willing and able to master it. That's openly stated in their very own literature.

Well Jonanthan's statement "Not all Asetians are of a feline nature." suggests he has met Asetians, how else would he know not all of them are of a feline nature? That in and of itself is a declaration of having met more than one Asetian.

There are official sources of public information where these things can easily be found. It is stated many times that the Asetians are actually quite diverse. In reference to the original question, I assume it means to ask if all Asetians are feline as in descended from Bastet or Sekhmet, which can't be possible anyway. It would be like asking if all Asetians are of a hawk-like nature. Sure they all contain some imprint of the essence of Horus, the Primordial Viperine, but their internal structure or "family tree" is of course not known and not all descended from Bastet or Sekhmet. This was my interpretation of the question, anyway.

Jonathan wrote:

IMIblis wrote:Well Jonanthan's statement "Not all Asetians are of a feline nature." suggests he has met Asetians, how else would he know not all of them are of a feline nature? That in and of itself is a declaration of having met more than one Asetian.

Not at all, there are many scholars of the Asetian tradition and culture out there, with knowledge not only of their history but also of their practices, spirituality and magick.

In fact, Asetianism isn't exclusively for Asetian use, it's an open system to anyone willing and able to master it. That's openly stated in their very own literature.

Then you based your statement not on direct observation but rather from hearsay? Suffice it to say, I must not get this Asetianism thing.

Rhea Kaye wrote:

Well Jonanthan's statement "Not all Asetians are of a feline nature." suggests he has met Asetians, how else would he know not all of them are of a feline nature? That in and of itself is a declaration of having met more than one Asetian.

There are official sources of public information where these things can easily be found. It is stated many times that the Asetians are actually quite diverse. In reference to the original question, I assume it means to ask if all Asetians are feline as in descended from Bastet or Sekhmet, which can't be possible anyway. It would be like asking if all Asetians are of a hawk-like nature. Sure they all contain some imprint of the essence of Horus, the Primordial Viperine, but their internal structure or "family tree" is of course not known and not all descended from Bastet or Sekhmet. This was my interpretation of the question, anyway.

Ah, that makes sense, now I see. Thanks.

Rhea - yes, you interpreted the question correctly. I'm curious to know more about where this feline essence originates in the Asetian genealogy, whether with a Primordial or an Elder.

IMIblis wrote:Intersting Jonathan, have you actually met Asetians?

Hey Robert Sushko remember this?

[LINK] The lies and dishonesty of a failed occultist and pretender, Robert Sushko aka Etu Malku.

Rhea, this guy is Robert Sushko all over again, only this time pretending to be a female. Check his energy fingerprint, it doesn’t fail.

Can’t get any more amusing than this. We keep owning this guy. LOL

The truth of it is that he spends his time fixing guitars in Jersey for actual musicians but online he pretends to be an occult musician, a field in which he failed all his life. In the different occult communities people never even heard about him and the few that did describe him as just another illiterate troll, completely irrelevant. Never accomplished anything. He created a fake “order” online called “Herald of the Dawn” that is nothing more than a small Facebook group that is populated by several of his fake accounts, which he uses to deceive and manipulate people, the few gullible enough to fall for it. Check it out on Facebook. It has all been documented a long time ago. He has over 10 fake accounts blocked in this site alone, even more on social media.

How petty is that Sushko? Get a life man, we’ve been owning you for probably a decade now and you still keep fanboying here? I know we're cool and all but come on! Hey at least it’s all funny as hell.