Tarot Cards

Some people swear by them and others say they aren't worth a dime. I've never used them, but before I invest in a set, what are your opinions on them?

Do not worry what other people think.  You have to find what works with you.  Kalb loves the tarot and works with it successfully....but that does not mean that it will be the best for you.   You are an individual.  Find your individual connection with the Spirit world.  At this moment the Spirit world is shaking heads and viewing you as being in total confusion.  Settle down and become grounded.  Learn how energy works in and around you.

The food you eat, do you eat it because someone else likes a particular dish?....enough said.   You should see the point..

I understand.

Ba....I will go off watch now......you are just not having too much luck with me answering your posts....so I will let others hook up with you.....maybe they can crank up with something interesting for you....lol.

Actually your advice was something I needed. I've been trying to dive head first into something I know very little about.

Well, if you get comfortable with calling the 4 Guardians or Watchtowers and begin to feel like you and the 4 are all family....at that point you can learn to call forth that first Spirit Being by using a sigil (learn how to interact with that)  then you can call forth any being and you do not even need a book of instructions.  This process you can use to call up beings in the black mirror or bowl of water or even a black metal container of fire.  Then you can use just a complete black wall and then....what the heck...you will find that you can just sit down and relax and close your eyes and call up any being you have an interest in.  At that point you have learned to work with energy, and using tarot cards you can sit with your eyes open and watch and hear any spirit being you want to get info from.  After a few months or years, you can drive down the road and you will have Spirit Beings talk to you or even sit in the seat next to you in the car and carry on conversations.  But in the beginningy, DO NOT be influenced by any Religious teachings where you begin to see these spirits like those religious teachers or white light only people tell you they are.  I have watched many people be influenced by this and have pre conceived ideas what demons are and how they act.  Baloney.  Find out for yourself.  So you are young enough to have a very interesting life connecting with the magic of the universe.

The Tarot is a powerful system. It really works, however that depends on what you wish to do with it. It's also one of the most abused occult tools. Many people use it for superficial forms of divination and other new age applications that have nothing serious about it and that is not how the tarot should be used. Forget tarot readings for love and fortune or to divine the future. Now if you use it to discover lost parts of your soul and the hidden layers of reality then tarot becomes an incredibly powerful tool.

Em Hotep,

Our unconscious is not programmed as our brain that puts limits in time and space, giving a different perspective of reality. There is a big difference between what we "know" consciously and what we "know" unconsciously. Our brain works through words, our unconscious through images. All that the conscious has to do is learn to translate images into words attuned to the pattern of the question. The most important is to gather all the thoughts and intuition and find a path that would lead us to walk a step for evolution. Now.. The choice of your deck, my advice for you is follow your instinct. Look for a Tarot with which you feel empathy, most of them are beautiful, but the vast majority do not respect the general meaning of the letters or the relations with the Kabbalah, since the first relationship was taken by Eliphas Levi in the XIX century. Beware, Robert Wang, warns us about the dangers of Tarot, he said that Tarot is not for unbalanced persons, explaining that if a person can't be stable and strong in his life the same person will not be able to be so in the Tarot, because the Tarot is just the mirror of our ego.

I agree with what Jonathan said, the letters do not have a standard meaning, but change and behave differently according to the situation to which they are subjected.

Maxx: I'm not so sure. I have many difficulties in understanding many issues and often feel lost. Repairs in our colleagues, although they do not share anything or nothing about Tarot, they dominate the subject.

Some like to use the tarot, others do not. Everything always boils down to individual preference and intention. Some users do elaborate spreads, others keep it more simplified. The main thing is to enjoy what you do.

Repairs in our colleagues, although they do not share anything or nothing about Tarot, they dominate the subject.

kalb....  I do not understand what you are saying here.  
Are you saying that most common information that is out there regarding the tarot does not have a valid Asetian connection?  And therefore we cannot give advice in the same way they are trying to do with it?  

I am confused trying to understand what you are wanting to say.....

Are our friends here in the forum, Maxx. They know more than what they show. ;)In other words, I do not deserve such merit by your part. I'm not so good as you expressed above.

Now, about Asetian connection. I already clearly expressed that my favorite is the Thoth Tarot not only for its beauty but for its complex symbolism and more importantly, I think the changes of Thoth Tarot is perfect.A fundamental change occurred with the XX letter. It was called The Judgment and showed the miracle of resurrection on the Judgment Day. In the opinion of Crowley, this topic belongs to the Age of Osiris, the era of self-immolated and sacrificed gods, who already walks to the end. The new Aeon, represents the birth of the Age of Horus, now approaching and in which Horus can be seen as the master of this new Aeon. Thus, the meaning of this letter has also been transformed, no longer represents salvation and miracle of transformation, as in ancient Tarots, but the birth of the new and a vision of freedom and Evolution.

If we look at Asetianism, we see that we are in the Djehuty of the Serpent, the Age of Horus, so I firmly believe there is a very powerful connection between Tarot and  Asetian culture. You said in another thread something I liked very much, you said to evolve in this world is not being tied to dogmas nor the limitations on knowledge, I use your words here. To understand Asetianism through Tarot it takes the same spirit. I'm not saying that the Tarot was based on Asetianism, I'm just saying that I see a great connection between both, the Tarot is a tool that can be used in any way, as it is universal such as Kabbalah. Always depends on how we are using and it is clear that what others say is valid. We all got see the stars in the sky, but we all do not see the same perspective, all knowledge is part of a whole, Of course I can't accept the knowledge of the ones that never looked at the sky and see the stars...

In the Book of Orion, is done a clear and elaborate form of the meaning of the Tree of Life and how it developed. They teach that the Three is One.Kether, Chokmah and Binah are the first Sephiroth and the rest of Sephiroth are mirrors of the Origin. As Above So Below. In tarot, working with the theosophical addition, we realize that every three numbers back to the One. 1=4=7=10=13=16=19=21=24=27=30=33=37, and still always adding up three numbers.

For exemple:
1=1
4=1+2+3+4=10=1
7=1+2+3+4+5+6+7=28=10=1
10=1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10=55=10=1
13=1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13= 91 = 1
13=1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16= 136=10=1

I can also show you things differently. If you sum the numbers as in numerology with the same process, always jumping three numbers, you will always have the same values​​: 1, 4 and 7.

1 = 1 - The Origin
3 = 3 - The three pillars, the three Asetian Lineages.
7 = 7 - Immortality, The number of Aset.
10 = 1
13 = 4 - Yod He Vav He
16 = 7
19=10=1
22= 4
25= 7
28=10=1
31=4
34=7
37=10=1
The result is always the same. 1,4,7, and if you add 1 + 7 + 4 = 12 the result is 3.

Maxx wrote:Are you saying that most common information that is out there regarding the tarot does not have a valid Asetian connection? And therefore we cannot give advice in the same way they are trying to do with it?

On the contrary. I believe it is possible to get close to the source through external knowledge and everyone has something to say that brings us the true path.

That makes for good contemplation material, kalb. And even your last statement I have to agree with as I was shown a very similar statement in a dream 3 nights ago.  So I feel you are very close to the source.
Thanks for the time you put into the explanation for us. See.....I said you were the tarot man to contact.

I also agree that many that come here are not telling the truth....smile. But the door is open to all.

Good post Kalb. Valid study material right there.

Tonight I laid out my first spread of Tarot and it was a very rewarding experience. It gave me a lot of insight on my decision to begin this spiritual journey and the skies look swell.

Kalb,

Looking at this post today, I see something very familiar to me from my studies and practices.

It is not only 147, but also 258 and 369 that have a connection here.

This triplicity is seen in everything.
For example, according to the logic of your theosophical addition:

1=1
2=3
3=6
4=1
5=6
6=3
7=1
8=9
9=9
10=1
11=3
12=6
13=1
14=6
15=3
16=1
17=9
18=9
19=10=1
20=3
21=6
22=10=1
23=6
24=3
25=10=1
26=9
27=9

(And so on.)

Notice a pattern? It goes 1,3,6--1,6,3--1,9,9--1,3,6--1,6,3--1,9,9

For eternity.
What's more? Reducing every number to single digits, (for example, 10=1, 11=2, 12=3, 13=4, etc) every number which reduces it's value to the single digit will add up to the same number that the reduced value has been added up to.

For example, 2=3, 11(2)=3, 20(2)=3


1,4 and 7 always add up to 1,
2 and 6 always add up to 3
3 and 5 always added up to 6
8 and 9 will always add up to 9.

1--3--6--9

...

1+3=4
4+3=7

2+3=5
5+3=8

3+3=6
6+3=9

There are more connections but this is just an intro to what I've observed.

I think this is an interesting subject... should I have started a new topic for it?

I love tarot cards i was drawn to them at a young age and found that i can get quite a responsive answer to any question no matter how bizzare.
Perhaps its my over active imagination that i can get any answer i seek or even my trust of intuition either way its up to the individual.

Tarot in my opinion is a worthy subject one worth learning more about

I know that playing cards were invented due to some king back godknows when because he was afraid of them and so they invented the playing cards
but back then it was only as a disguise real readers would use them as tarot afraid of being caught using the original tarot decks so hence cartomancing was born Thats all i remember
I see no harm in them at all
But its up to the individual

I use them. For some they are just a tool, for me, it's sort of more a fun game, but also like talking to yourself in a mirror. Even though you already know the answers, sometimes you have to get it out there, hear it out loud (or in the case of tarot cards see it) for it to be made more clear.