Ancient Mystical Paths

Several times Victor and I have talked about posting here for open discussion concerning the Primal Craft books by Mark Alan Smith.  Queen of Hell, The Red King and The Scorpion God.  Since there is much that is very close to the Asetians info I have decided to open up discussion in this area.  As Victor said, Mr. Marques suggests looking into other paths in your walk of knowledge in this life.  Since I have been working with this path for the last year and a half I can attest to the power found in this walk. It has changed my magical walk greatly and I have found powerful influences added to my own life by working with it.  Actually, this system is not recommended for a new person not experienced with magic but is designed for one with basic knowledge of hermetic understanding.  This is a method that will utilize interaction and calling into manifestation of Spiritis and if one is not sincere and has no experience there will be no connection and could be a danger in just playing around with it.  And if the intent is only to advance ones self in the material world then this system will eat your a__ up.  The Spirits certainly know your intent.  

Personally, I did find this system is one of the most powerful out there and Mark Alan Smith does not charge for info like the other groups and individuals do that are mainly in it to line their pockets.  The books are   sold out and will not be issued again but Mark will send a working PDF file of the books to an interested person to aid in the walk. The site to view for more info is primalcraft.com. He personally deals with all e mail himself.

Mark does make it plain that this material was given him by the Gods that were here even before the creation of this planet.  Much of this info I found to be very similar to the teachings of the Asetians and the early history recorded there.  Mark was involved with these Gods before this life time and says these Gods were way before the time of Atlantis era and some of these I personally have met were before this planet was even created.

There may even be some others on this site that have experience in working this path and have knowledge of it.  Also, here is a 2 hour video (and there are others on the subject out there) on you tube that gives more info on this subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFfxUCwj66o

Understand, also, that I am not posting this for advertisement to increase numbers.  There is no way this is a path for everyone just as the Aset Ka is not for everyone.  I believe that this path is not one for a person to just dabble in.  It is a part of the dark arts but has sections that balance the negative and the positive.  Only sincere intent will be honored in it.

But I decided to open it for any discussion and info one might seek to understand in their path to advancement.   Any others here working within this system?

Also, the knowledge Victor has with this area is greatly appreciated.

I can attest to what Max is saying about this path. I have only be involved with these primal forces for around four months. With what work I have done, I have received great results. My sensitivity to energy and metaphysical forces has grown tremendously. I have been having several prophetic dreams and my intuition seems to be spot on.
However, this path, much like Asetianism, is truly not for weak. Those who cannot handle what is presented will definitely be tossed aside. I dove into this path head first. I do not advise this AT ALL.
There are several ways to ease into this path to adjust yourself to the power of this current.
I advise less experienced individuals, like myself, move slowly at first.

I have worked with the system by Mark Alan Smith and I can say I enjoy his books on Primal Craft / Trident. This stuff has several concepts that were based on witchcraft that many around here might be familiar with. I agree with what was stated that this is not a system to dabble in lightly, but the same thing can be said about any witchcraft current. I also wish to state that although I enjoyed his books I can't say I believe all of Mark Allan Smith's ideas. I may be wrong but he seems to believe that he is some sort of chosen one, elected by these deities and for someone at that level of power he should know that certain portions of his work are inaccurate. It appears to me that there are moments when he is taken away by his inner reality and imagination, confusing it with reality and what would be universal as opposed to the inner creations of his mind. This is my understanding you may of course disagree.

I'm curious about possible connections with the Asetians would you mind developing a bit more on that Maxx?

This comes as a total surprise to me that you have worked within the system framework, Jonathan.  Probably why Victor mentioning opening it up for discussion in the forum as he was aware of this.  

Beginning with Hecate and the similarity of Aset to start with.  Isis seems to be the subject of both personalities.  A trident situation here but that can be seen in just about all the major followings. Then comes Lucifer and Belial being the other primary Gods similar to the Aset, Horus, Osiris connection.

I see some of your concerns with the statements but if I set that aside and look at the results I have gotten, then this is not of grave concern to me about someone and their personal interpretations. I certainly give credit to him as he has not done what many others have done in milking the workings in the form of developing a monetary policy to enrich himself, i.e. Koetting, etc. and his media background creation by Anthony Robbin's computer guy. Mark turned them down flat out declining to join them.  I would be interested to hear if you found any positive results with working through these rituals yourself or did one item turn you off to the point that you dropped it?

Don't get me wrong by saying that I don't believe in some of what he claims doesn't mean that I find his system useless. I agree that you can achieve results with it. Maybe it's just an issue of poor interpretation on his part.

I got results using those rituals but I must say that much of it wasn't entirely new to me as I have studied witchcraft before finding his work. I didn't get as powerful and transformative results as I got with the Asetian current but I still agree that you can achieve results with Mark's method. Actually it's not even fair to compare both systems due to the universal nature of Asetianism and its timeless application and initiation. I can see that it's perfectly possible to work with both systems and one will not block the other. Just like there are many Asetianists positively working with Crowley's system of Thelema and claim great results by combining both.

Now I admit that I haven't heard before of connections between Mark's teachings and Asetianism but you may have a point there. This was a surprise to me. I will consider this for a while and then get back to you.

Let us both agree that when you say you studied Witchcraft for many years prior to the present, neither of us are talking about the fluffy new age cr_p that is written about so much today and this type is what the teens think of when they see the witchcraft word set before their minds eye.

Oh yes. Definitely very different things. Witchcraft is a very serious study and it has nothing to do with what most grew up believing it to be. Actually I doubt any teen would have the maturity required to understand those practices. There are things that just come with experience and experience requires time and age as bad as this may sound.

We try our best   

Stapleraindrop wrote:We try our best   

Embrace your youthful attributes.  Far too soon you will see how fickle she really is.  Like a shadow that fades little by little as darkness falls, she transfers her alliance to another without even a goodbye wave and suddenly one morning you will awaken and she is found no more in your company.

Thanks for sharing this Maxx. I'm curious to explore more of this path you mentioned since I have many years of experience with Witchcraft. I would like to see how this aligns with the different old systems of witches. However I was told that Mark's books should ideally not be studied on pdf but using the real printed books that he imbued with energy and thoughtforms in ritual. I can't judge this for myself as I don't own real copies of his books. Do you?
Would you know where I can find a real copy although it's no longer in print?

I've been searching for the books that are no longer being sold as well.
And what I have found from online book dealers has been almost triple the original sell price.
The third book in the Trident set was still on sell the last time I checked.

Nightshade,
I do have all 3 copies of his books.  But he has said he will send out the pdf version of those first two as you work through them.  No charge. You can also be in contact with him about his thought forms and rituals at the time he went through these over the email.  He said he will even work with you on some questions on Skype it needed.  He does have the third book available til it sells out completely.  Again it is not my desire to drum up new converts for him as I feel if one is drawn to study this it will open the door on its own.

I do not want to add things to his concepts or ideas and would prefer he tell you himself.  But I do not think that it will lessen the impact by not having the books.  He is very easy to deal with.   He says he will work with anyone on it at primalcraft@gmail.com on his e mail and primalcraft.com on the website.  

Matttt...I see where even the last book is selling for just at $1000 on bookfinders.com.  Do not understand that when you can buy a new one from Mark for a tenth of that.

Jonathan wrote:

Now I admit that I haven't heard before of connections between Mark's teachings and Asetianism but you may have a point there. This was a surprise to me. I will consider this for a while and then get back to you.

Now you have my interest up about this for sure.  I look forward to your thoughts on this.

Maxx wrote:

Jonathan wrote:

Now I admit that I haven't heard before of connections between Mark's teachings and Asetianism but you may have a point there. This was a surprise to me. I will consider this for a while and then get back to you.

Now you have my interest up about this for sure.  I look forward to your thoughts on this.

Do you know if he is in any way familiar with the Aset Ka or is even aware of the Asetians existence?

I have never heard any accounts of the fact either from interviews or written word.

Mark makes constant refrences to Hecate as a dark witch goddess. He talks about her dark family, her 'godly' children, and the human ones who walk the earth with an inhuman soul. He even mentions an initiatory practice involvign the Goddess inscribing a sigil on the initiate. Whether or not he is directly influenced by Aset Ka is a mystery, but the traditions hold many parrallels.

Also, he lives in Spain

He also has, in my opinion an excellent rendition of the quipploth (tihnk I misspelled that) that is excellent to work with if you like the 'dark side' of things.

I have been wondering on the parallels between Hekate and Aset for a long time.
I've wanted to do research on the topic for a long while, but I haven't had the time.
If anyone has any information on the similarities between the two. I would enjoy reading the post. =)

Maxx wrote:
Personally, I did find this system is one of the most powerful out there and Mark Alan Smith does not charge for info like the other groups and individuals do that are mainly in it to line their pockets.  The books are   sold out and will not be issued again but Mark will send a working PDF file of the books to an interested person to aid in the walk. The site to view for more info is primalcraft.com. He personally deals with all e mail himself.

i did some online searches for some copies of the books yet the ones being sold on ebay and other sources are much out of my price range (starving artist/college student...)
i don't imagine he would be emailing .pdfs for free, but, do you happen to know if he would charge for these/ if they would be the same price as the originally sold books were? just curious if you had anymore info before i directly contacted him. i wouldn't want to ask and not be able to pay if required. yet i'm quite interested. Hekate has come up in discussion with me before and having a extensive reliable source of info would help my search greatly

I've had contact with Mark. And he will send you pdf copies of Queen of Hell and the Red King if you purchase The Scorpion God.

Actually, He will send you the PDF of the first 6 months work if you are interested in working within the format. He does not charge anything at all for the PDF in case you want to work through the rituals. Be advised that you need about 6 months of work in order to do a particular rite on the last day of Oct. That is the only day one can do that rite and you need preparation for that.

Stapleraindrop wrote:Mark makes constant refrences to Hecate as a dark witch goddess. He talks about her dark family, her 'godly' children, and the human ones who walk the earth with an inhuman soul. He even mentions an initiatory practice involvign the Goddess inscribing a sigil on the initiate. Whether or not he is directly influenced by Aset Ka is a mystery, but the traditions hold many parrallels.

Those are definitely peculiar elements.

Nightshade wrote:

Stapleraindrop wrote:Mark makes constant refrences to Hecate as a dark witch goddess. He talks about her dark family, her 'godly' children, and the human ones who walk the earth with an inhuman soul. He even mentions an initiatory practice involvign the Goddess inscribing a sigil on the initiate. Whether or not he is directly influenced by Aset Ka is a mystery, but the traditions hold many parrallels.

Those are definitely peculiar elements.

 

thanks everyone for the replies i will definitely e-mail him then. im used to energywork, but actual witchcraft i have little experience yet am very interested in it. i really want to be more connected with the universe and the higher beings in it that im unable to directly talk to for guidance. but thats great that he would be willing to do that. Maxx can i PM you with questions possibly?

for certain.  Some others are doing the same.

I must say this discussion has gone in a much different way than I had thought.  I had hoped that it would develop into a discussion on some of the rituals involved and the feedback each was getting with them.  Also, the work activity with the rituals and how they found any comparison with the work within the Aset Ka.  I was hoping to maybe get some of that flavor but I am agreeable to deal in all of it in any way.