To Idiocy... and beyond!!!!!!

I wanted to interrupt the normal pattern of silence in order to ask a question of the users here.

Why is it that in the occult/metaphysics community there seems to be a plethora of individuals clamoring to teach and dominate others? I see this theme so often and honestly, it begins to wear on me. Those seeking followers, thinking they are special and rule the world, simply because they can manipulate energy. I also see others coming under fire when they refuse to walk with everyone else and shout their innermost, intimate experiences to the universe. Why is this?

In reality, I know I am stating a very old and tired topic, one that has likely been rehashed into oblivion. A situation that has been warned about by the public version of the Asetian Bible many of us hold dear. In reality, I understand the answer to all the questions I just posed here in my thread, but I am in that unfortunate stage where noticing blindness disturbs me a great deal. It reminds me of that primordial dance of molecules in the beginning before the things were formed. People dancing around frantically, trying to prove dominance and let their heads break the surface of the water.

The truth is that sometimes I notice this happening around me and I feel like screaming in panic... because I can feel the desperation coming from them in waves, and it brings me pain. I notice how often people say one thing, when their eyes speak an entirely different message. I suppose I have passed that point where lies and desperate attempts to feed the monstrous Ego bring me annoyance and a sense of elitism. Now it is just... incredibly saddening. I don't know if there are words to describe the level of tragedy that happens when people slowly kill themselves. It seems like they have become obsessed with the Door, rather than the path beyond it.

I suppose this is nothing more than another stop on the road of growth and evolution. Perhaps someday I'll be able to feel less disturbed by it all, and instead reach a state of simple observation. But for now, I wrestle with this intense feeling and hope that I will reach some semblance of peace.

I do apologize for this random, rambling post. I thought I'd share my recent experiences and thoughts, and perhaps be of some assistance to anyone who may be feeling the same thing at the moment.

Hello Rhea. Answering your first question I believe the center issue may be that those individuals aren't really a part of the occult/metaphysics community unlike what it may seem on the surface. I observe those behaviours all the time but they are mostly found among online communities made up by posers.

I can certainly understand your frustration in dealing with this, especially as it's found everywhere and all the time. It puzzles me how many fake communities and fake people are out there. I suspect that they make up for over 90% of what can be found, if not more. The instability of these people and the almost level of insanity of their ego is such a challenge to deal with. It makes people not receptive to different ideas and the knowledge others may bring. It completely blinds their whole perception.

I'm not sure if this also relates with what you're experiencing but sometimes I also think that the problem with most people these days is their flawed education. They are taught by parents and family to feel special. They end up believing they are the center of the world.

People will always seek attention and drama from others within the communities from what I've noticed. I choose to ignore them and keep to myself and observe from the sidelines. No need to get involved in their BS.

Now, Im probably going to regret this ...  at this point I dont really care

Elitists in the community, most certainly there are people which have something stuck up their ass, and have no interest other then in their own words...  actually also imagination... certainly there are people in the community thinking they control other individuals as well....

Is there chaos structure to the spiritual/occult society  lolz...certainly, it is ...

I'm Not claiming that people can't cooperate in their circles ...
Im saying it seems they can't corporate out side circles ...  
Now, this is typical Human behavior ....and why nothing gets done ... or it takes tiny tiny turtle steps to even get a point across ...  

As for the people that refuses to stick to the norm ... fucking kudos ...  be real.

As for people sharing, i can see more then one reason,
1: is because they understand that a positiv change needs to be done in this world, for everyone...wants to wake up people to what real unreal reality we live in... create a better world and wake awareness.
2:other selfish ego ...
2/3: a good  vamp feed ...
2/4:simply loneliness ...
2/5:trying to seek companionship.
2/6:they feel they have something to prove....
(There are probably more reasons behind .... then these ... )

Which has a extremely deep connection to the animal kingdom and how our psyche works ...  how also root or kingdom is a part of our reality.

As admin of several groups, I see this all the time ...

I just wish people could learn from one another and stop the hate and fear ... and also be able to let go of the past ... when i say past i mean like blaming germanys people for the holocaust.. to day ... those kinds of things are silly to me ... or racial shit ... we are actually all human and the earth is actually everyones home, and the more we fight the more we destroy ... So destructive is the human animal form ...

Woolfe wrote:People will always seek attention and drama from others within the communities from what I've noticed. I choose to ignore them and keep to myself and observe from the sidelines. No need to get involved in their BS.

Well said and you're right, people are constantly looking for drama and attention in their bubble of self importance. That ties to what I mentioned about their education and it really happens all the time. Now while I do agree with ignoring them and observing from the sidelines as you said, an issue that I sometimes have with it is that by staying silent and not exposing the BS and fakes we're sometimes enforcing their behaviour and allowing it to propagate. Most of the times I just observe their demise or comment in private but sometimes I do speak up and expose them not because I care but because I worry for the next generations that can be misguided by all these false leaders, false experts and communities driven by ego.

More than anything I get upset by the fact that the most dangerous people are the ones who have at least small nuggets of truth to what they teach. People sense these little tidbits of legitimacy and automatically assume everything the person says must be entirely true. Sharing your experiences with people in a joint path to enlightenment is one thing, but talking down on everyone, assuming you know everything, and being an overall jackass with a superiority complex is entirely another.

Some may think I'm just saying, hey everyone... stop teaching others! If you want to teach, you're an ego-driven moron! No. Anyone who has hung around long enough should know exactly what I am talking about, without getting all offended.

It is difficult for me to decide which direction to go sometimes- watching people condemn themselves via their own behavior, or helping those ignorant or slightly naive people following these "false prophets" around like they are a new messiah. Once again, I know I'm just rehashing a topic that is not new, but I get slightly agitated dealing with it sometimes. It is all still saddening, especially given the consequences of ego in occult communities that I will not get into for highly obvious reasons (I'm sure some people will know what I'm talking about though).

So what exactly is better, here? People are going to follow what they like. If someone wants to believe, for example, that a certain person started a certain tradition first (cough cough) they're going to believe so. All part of their own path to enlightenment, correct? Still difficult to watch...

Unfortunately, Divine, while I enjoyed your response, I'd have to disagree with the last bit. (In a friendly way, of course). Fighting for the reasons listed is very dumb, yes. But fighting against those who perpetuate nonsense and incorrect information for the purposes of their own ego will always be necessary. As long as different souls on the planet or in the universe exist, there will always be conflict of some kind. The fight is extremely important. It may destroy, but what is worse- a bit of destruction, or sitting back while truth and evolution rots? There is a certain purity in destruction.
Granted, I don't mean to take any shots at the opinions of others and this is not aimed at anyone specifically.

Im not saying its not important ... Im saying it shouldn't be necessary on this scale, as with the knowledge we actually have to day about so much more ....
Now  conflict will always happen, no mater what, how big the conflict needs to be is an entirely different question...  but yes i do agree with Picasso :

This is something inevitable to control. If we are not aware of our consciousness, we will be manipulated and influenced by everything around us. A Spiritual Leader that promotes control and submission is not a leader. Exactly for this reason that I love the Asetian teachings.

@kalb : A spiritual leader should be true to him self and others to create trust ...
We do get influenced by outside sources, however we do also "mostly" chose those sources ...

I do agree that we need to know self ... but then again i dont see emotion as a bad thing .... neither do i see questioning as a bad thing ...

Me neither. But when a student embraces the path of Asetianism becomes FREE. This means that there are no limits on what he wants to learn. This freedom happens in other paths too, just in Asetianism has a brightness that never found in the other spiritual path.

Divine 277 wrote:We do get influenced by outside sources, however we do also "mostly" chose those sources  ...

I disagree that most people actually chose their sources when it comes to spirituality and learning. Most people hardly even know  themselves and their true Will let alone having the spiritual growth to chose a source, teaching or path genuinely aligned with their inner call. Reality is that most people are lost and so they innocently follow sources and paths that don't really represent themselves or their beliefs.

Most just follow a herd...

Nightshade.
There is so much meaning your words say and it explains so very many things.  In fact, it explains everything about everyone and why they follow the path they do and why they are drawn towards various teachings.  Why some think that what they follow is the only path for everyone and is a very limited view and of course in the minds eye, that is all that is needed for everyone to find the answer to everything by following the way they follow.  Breaking it down to it's simple form, we find that this is very much a big mistake, (and this will encompass the fact you did not agree above). I compliment you and I agree with you in just about all you say in the above statement.  And this is reflected in the statement from Mr Marques that Asetianism is not for everyone.

Take finances for illustration. One could take and interchange the topic to Asetianism as well which would connect to the persons 9th house, I believe.  But finances are centered within the 2nd house of each person in astrology. It is also reflected in the tarot which is the science of numbers included in much the same fashion.  At the time of birth each house is reflected by the positions of subtle energy that effect the astral or inner being of each person. Of course, this is reflected in the As Above, So Below as everything is first reflected in the inner world (the higher world) before being manifested.  These positions will influence in subtle or strong ways and reflect on the person in the physical and the inner for the balance of their days.  Both the good and the bad. At the time of birth the grouping of thought cells would be increased in each area that person is to be working on for experiences in their life. This would be seen as what draws from the inner most part of a person and gives them to be drawn to any study or manner of learning toward anything, whether it be finances or Asetianism or even Christianity or something bad like criminal enterprises.   A diminishing group of cells would be given to that area which that person has already accomplished and would not be designed to work toward in this life as it has already been accomplished. It would be either positive or negative. Or, and it would appear I am in contradiction of the other statement but not the case...by also having many thought cells in an area means they will come easily into a position in life and have it appear that it was very easy to accomplish this in their life and so they do not work hard towards learning much about it.  Like a 5 year old playing Mozart at an early age finding it very easy to accomplish while others never learn to play piano.

By the way, having studied their birth material, and learned how to increase or decrease ones thought cells in each area, one can change an unfavorable situation and have that situation change for the better by getting to know the workings behind the scene of all of this. Increase the thought cell grouping to any area and it will be influenced to draw other thought cells and create an overwhelming draw and desire to create any given circumstance or situation that a person needs to change.  Decrease thought cell energy toward bad situations by changing the thought each time it comes up and replacing it with another kind of thought will decrease thought cell groups in a bad area and change in the physical body will appear after a while toward overall improvement of a bad situation.  If continued, that bad thought cell group will be broken up and dispersed into supplying other group workings whether good or bad.  This is how a person changes things in ones life.  Things desired to come into a life are influenced in this manner by increasing the thought cell groupings.  One turns into many.

 Getting back to finances.  Some people have a very easy time of it in producing good finances. Others work their whole life and never succeed.  It is not luck at all either way.  Each life has a lesson to work and learn within the frame work of that life.  Their previous life has produced life lessons they succeeded and accomplished.  Even the fact that bad energy was reflected in another life on the second house framework and they were destitute the entire time.  Now then, another life would have them born into the favorable positive 2nd house with easy finances. Then this is an example of having had a success in previous lives within the 2nd house and it is reflected in this life as wealth coming easy without having to work at it.

Maybe I have made a big clutter here with this by trying to explain it as I view how one is drawn to some things while another had no interest in the same. This process also explains why some are very intelligent while others show very little signs of intelligence. There is a vast difference in each and every one of us as everyone is working to accomplish something even though it appears to someone else that person is an idiot...not the case at all. Idiots have a reason we are like we are. It is to give others the opportunity to overcome the sin of criticism. That is why I am the village idiot. lol.

Looking at this from a view of Progressive Aspects will add so much more to any situation and show one how to plan to influence their future in a positive way.....but this is an entirely different subject from above...

Here is an example of what I described above about one being drawn to a definite interest in anything. The Master need not waste his time in continuance of training as the student has not even worked or progressed to the point where he would have enough gumption to work the lessons required in the future. One was not born with an activated gland or they have now continued to work on opening this gland. This example is reflected in the many that come to this site and say how interested they are in the material and then soon thereafter they are never heard of again. The Master is either hard or kind on them as he knows they will soon disappear anyway but does not need to waste his/her time with them.



A Treatise on White Magic (Alice Bailey)
Unless there is indication that the man is what is termed esoterically "a lighted lamp" it is useless for the Master to waste His time. The light in the head, when present, is indicative of:

a. The functioning to a greater or less extent of the pineal gland, which is (as is well known) the seat of the soul and the organ of spiritual perception. It is in this gland that the first physiological changes take place incident upon soul contact and this contact is brought about through definite work along meditation lines, mind control, and the inflow of spiritual force.

[Points b-d to be continued].

Nightshade wrote:

Divine 277 wrote:We do get influenced by outside sources, however we do also "mostly" chose those sources  ...

I disagree that most people actually chose their sources when it comes to spirituality and learning. Most people hardly even know  themselves and their true Will let alone having the spiritual growth to chose a source, teaching or path genuinely aligned with their inner call. Reality is that most people are lost and so they innocently follow sources and paths that don't really represent themselves or their beliefs.

Most just follow a herd...

In this cause i was referring to all, not only in spiritualities and paths ... like for instance we weight our choses every day .... based on our feelings, our logic .....knowledge and outside influence like: children, work and so on ...

Nightshade wrote:I disagree that most people actually chose their sources when it comes to spirituality and learning. Most people hardly even know  themselves and their true Will let alone having the spiritual growth to chose a source, teaching or path genuinely aligned with their inner call. Reality is that most people are lost and so they innocently follow sources and paths that don't really represent themselves or their beliefs.
Most just follow a herd...

Well said.

Magnetism. That which is made manifest from a biased, ego-driven mind, merely seeking to complete it's cycle and become observable reality.

An unbalanced mind should only be used to understand the Self's unfulfilled desires, not attempt to fufill them. Ignorance is born from this disharmony and takes hold like a disease that speaks to it's victim. "You are this and this is certain.." "You are not this and this is certain.." "You deserve power over him/her for what you are.. it's what you need, it's what you should attain..".

Don't expect this to go away soon. Ignorance is a natural process for discovery, but on a scale like this, discovery has no longer become the priority. Nature will weed out the ones falling behind.. it always does.

Ah Tehom...I found your first word jumped out at me as when I opened this post I was listening to this.

https: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFWrCuCPi3s&feature=share

Also, I was wondering about your experiences with the last book you asked about here? Have you worked through that yet?

It's been some time since I've recalled posting here about books, as I've read many since my return. If memory serves right, it was the book of Sitra Achra?

I unfortunately have not had this work yet, but I have read and worked through Liber Falxifer 2 and quite a few other works regarding the Anti-Cosmic. I've learned that, for myself, at least, all things come to me when I truly am in need of them. Without a guess or thought, the opportunity simply presents itself at my lap.

great. I personally was not drawn to work through that Liber Falxifer series. I am glad you found it to be of merit.

Strange.. I recall the name Manly P. Hall as if it were someone I am very familiarised with, however I'm quite certain I haven't read/listened to his thoughts. Atleast, not in this life. I do make an effort to keep track of what sources I Understand new things from.

Thank you for sharing the link. Think I'll look into this particular figure.

When one person shuts another out in ignorance, the person is acting on ego and not on behalf of their Self.

When you let the ego take full control of a situation, it almost always shuts out the information the other person is giving you-- no matter how true that information may or may not be. The ego doesn't care.

That being said, the ego/dark self is an important tool for our evolution, I believe, and if controlled properly can be a cooperative ally.

I believe it has to be. I am not one that says one has to die to ego....that is impossible. it needs to be trained properly to guide one in the direction needed. If not, there is an un balanced state.

Tehom...he has over 8000 meetings that were recorded and his most known book is the secret teaching of all ages he wrote at age 27.