New here, i want to learn vampirism

Nightshade wrote:Asatru is not even genuinely Norse or viking at all. It’s just a very modern invention that focus on Odin, which did not exist historically during the viking age and is heavily influenced by Christianity.

Also consensual incestuous mythology is very different from rapist mythology. Extremely so. If you think otherwise you need help.

Jonathan wrote:This thread is so cringe to read. lol
Props for trying though.

Nightshade wrote:No, that is actually incorrect. Asatru is a terrible interpretation of the Eddas as it focuses solely on Odin and the Aesir, ignoring the other gods like the Vanir, Jotun and Thursar. Asatru was never a belief the ancients had. Also according to the Eddas the Thursar were not only much wiser than the Aesir but also way more powerful, yet Asatru worships Odin as the wisest and more powerful which is a lie according to the Eddas. Odin spends his life desperately trying to learn and steal knowledge from the Thursar giants, which he recognizes being vastly more wise than him. Also you probably don't realize that most of the surviving copies of the Eddas were written by a Christian priest way after the times when those beliefs were lived. lol

Nightshade wrote:So many misconceptions of the source material in what you said that it’s probably not worth the time correcting. So a catholic priest who worshipped Odin through silly RHP Asatru but somehow was also in a pact with the devil. lol Newsflash for you, Asatru doesn’t have a concept of the devil. You’re right the joke does tell itself.  
I’m sorry but I’m having a hard time pursuing an intelligent debate with someone that cannot even type a few coherent sentences in a row. Maybe learn a bit more first and then try again. Communication just isn’t working at this point. Take care, but please do try to read more.

Tehom wrote:Jonathan,

Telling Nightshade to "go and read about it". Absolutely hilarious. I've had more giggles at utter lunacy here than usual.  Maxx would have a riot!

Lynskha wrote:Learning vampirism, this has many interpretations. One could be a question of the motive, another could be the direction of that motive, whether to adopt it as some kind of practice, or if the intention is purely historical, like research. Whether it's for identification and deepening. Whether it's something serious, focused on spirituality, occultism. Whether it's just a lifestyle. In short, we can see that there are numerous things that revolve around the subject. It's very interesting that when there is an awakening to seek answers, it is important to try to understand the personal motive of each individual.

Searching for serious, secure, reliable sources is very important, but we know that there is a lot of nonsense out there, and knowing, trying to filter is important, just as contact with not very reliable content becomes a learning experience when one is able to perceive and differentiate.

When you come across such rich material, like the content of Aset Ka's publications, as well as the healthy exchanges that occur within the community, I think it is something to be valued, studied, and appreciated.

As for the other question that was raised, I wouldn't frame it solely as "adoration" of the Egyptian gods. Aset Ka has a connection to this Egyptian aspect; however, it is something that goes far beyond, just as in the Primordial Dragon Tradition, we see other strands intertwining.

I would say it is important to realize that there would not be something "fixed," predetermined. We can see that there is a basis for some things, however, the freedom that occurs is interesting. Thus, we can see various Asetianists dealing with, worshiping, adoring, working with different deities, gods, energies, and strands.

Tehom wrote:You're like an idiot slot machine, I just press a few buttons and out comes something even more stupid. Thanks for the entertainment.

Troublemaker wrote:Lol, I said that about Odin because he is aligned with the demiurge and he is also a shitty figure - a rapist, even. He seems to have heavy influences from Christianity.
I am probably not explaining this very well, as I am a newcomer to this path of the Primordial Dragon.
Of course, Asetianists aren’t bound to worship only one deity - that would be a limitation and abusive demand placed by Christianity and not a mindset of liberation. However, I do think some powers are not only incompatible with the current, but are also enemies of it.

Nightshade wrote:Asatru is not even genuinely Norse or viking at all. It’s just a very modern invention that focus on Odin, which did not exist historically during the viking age and is heavily influenced by Christianity.

Also consensual incestuous mythology is very different from rapist mythology. Extremely so. If you think otherwise you need help.

Nightshade wrote:

Jonathan wrote:Asetianism does indeed seem to have one of the most unique and complex systems of understanding on the cosmos and the enslaving role of its demiurgic powers. We find those forces in many religions, from the Abrahamic god of Christianity, Judaism and Islam to Zeus of the Greek, Odin of the Norse and countless others in various cultures. Those are what we understand as emanations of Yahweh, the archon that enslaves souls in this realm and corrupts true magic, and I would say they are likely all enemies of the Asetians and Asetianists as well of our Primordial Gods that predate the cosmic demiurgic mass, rulers of the unspeakable abyss. It is not a battle of good versus evil, such is detailed clear in Asetian literature, but a war of liberation versus enslavement, one of magic versus delusion and ignorance. Make no mistake, it remains a titanic war of the ages regardless...

Excellently put. It reminds me of how often neopagans seeking to blindly follow the Norse culture through a corrupted understanding end up worshipping Odin in ways that are just a replacement of their former Christian god by their newfound “All-Father” which is rather disingenuous and spiritually ignorant, as Odin and Christianity go hand in hand in alignment and as adversaries of the Ancient Gods, the Elder Dragons. This is why Asatru is ultimately no different than the Abrahamic faiths, a modern branch of Christianity disguised as pagan, with most of its adopters not even familiar with the might and danger of the Thursar in such culture.

Jonathan wrote:Always glad to help. Very pleased to know that lost bits of wisdom from this forum are being preserved on the databases maintained on Discord and other communities, that makes me hopeful for a brighter future. As we advance in age we get more concerned about the preservation of knowledge, which is particularly important in the occult and often not thought about by those on the outside that just seek to "consume". Preservation of tradition is a sacred purpose that should concern us all. Very important role indeed, safeguarding these vital, rare and raw legacies of pure tradition to the future generations in the Craft and Art! Knights of Tradition you all should become, sword in hand!

Victor wrote:Reading this unhinged thread makes one curious to ask Anto if there’s even a remote possibility that he may have a long lost brother from Cuba?

Tehom wrote:Lol if just telling you the truth gives me the Power to "make" you disrespect me, that may be something to reflect upon. You wasted no time nodding and confirming what I say is true with your "reply", as anyone with even the most base of common sense will recognize.

Nightshade is a Woman.

Lyn is not a moderator.

We are all behind keyboards. This is an internet forum.

The thread is titled: "New here, i want to learn vampirism" ... on a forum about Esotericism; Asetianism. This is how you conduct yourself to some of the most experienced amongst us.

You've quite moronically revealed nothing you said about any kind of apology was genuine, displaying where your priorities and motives lie.


You are a grossly classic example of utter Mundanity.  The choice of ignorance over knowledge.

And, really, this isn't "your" presentation at all. You very visibly forfeited that, now it serves as a lesson to others regardless. I suggest you get some sense before choosing to respond.

MysticLightShinethForth wrote:

Nightshade wrote:Asatru is not even genuinely Norse or viking at all. It’s just a very modern invention that focus on Odin, which did not exist historically during the viking age and is heavily influenced by Christianity.

Also consensual incestuous mythology is very different from rapist mythology. Extremely so. If you think otherwise you need help.

Also that it goes without needing to note perhaps but doing so anyways, for those who are so prejudiced, that a human projection, on top of deities, of incestuous behavior is hardly the same as reality. We can't take our human perspectives, superimpose them upon deities and believe our assessments to be accurate in any remote capacity. These are much more advanced mythologies than readily grasped upon a human mundane understanding. In simpler terms, we're talking about Gods and not human beings. There's a significant difference in level of being altogether inconceivable by ordinary consciousness and you'd need to be a demigod to approach a similar level of ready conception, though even then differing greatly to the exact level of a God.

Also great posts before! The one by Jonathan and the commentary by Nightshade struck a large note. It'd be sad to see such gnosis lost in many threads. Fortunately we're saving good gems in our Discord server.

Nightshade wrote:

Jonathan wrote:Asetianism does indeed seem to have one of the most unique and complex systems of understanding on the cosmos and the enslaving role of its demiurgic powers. We find those forces in many religions, from the Abrahamic god of Christianity, Judaism and Islam to Zeus of the Greek, Odin of the Norse and countless others in various cultures. Those are what we understand as emanations of Yahweh, the archon that enslaves souls in this realm and corrupts true magic, and I would say they are likely all enemies of the Asetians and Asetianists as well of our Primordial Gods that predate the cosmic demiurgic mass, rulers of the unspeakable abyss. It is not a battle of good versus evil, such is detailed clear in Asetian literature, but a war of liberation versus enslavement, one of magic versus delusion and ignorance. Make no mistake, it remains a titanic war of the ages regardless...

Excellently put. It reminds me of how often neopagans seeking to blindly follow the Norse culture through a corrupted understanding end up worshipping Odin in ways that are just a replacement of their former Christian god by their newfound “All-Father” which is rather disingenuous and spiritually ignorant, as Odin and Christianity go hand in hand in alignment and as adversaries of the Ancient Gods, the Elder Dragons. This is why Asatru is ultimately no different than the Abrahamic faiths, a modern branch of Christianity disguised as pagan, with most of its adopters not even familiar with the might and danger of the Thursar in such culture.

Victor wrote:Reading this unhinged thread makes one curious to ask Anto if there’s even a remote possibility that he may have a long lost brother from Cuba?

Lynskha wrote:I feel we need Sybil. This is nonsense. It started in a good way, then now it is full of rudeness...