Pre-Columbian Americas and Asetianism - A Question

Posted this same question to the Discord server but found it of interest to take up here as well:

Recently wondered into the pre-Columbian American cultures and civilizations. I think they had a profound richness of their own. But little is known there in AK/ROS conflicts, establishments or contrasts. We have Africa with Egypt and perhaps in part Nubia (if they weren't on the other side) contesting between the civilization of the Empire with those of the deserts, we have old Europe with its sacred groves and trees in pristine silence, Asia with their dragons and different profound cultures, and the Middle East with its mysteries and magic... but what about the Americas, both northern and southern?

Try researching into the Olmec civilization of mesoamerica. They were the long lost pioneers that influenced what later became the Maya, Toltec and Aztec and they were curiously obsessed with jade! It’s in those lost deposits, only recently rediscovered, that today we find the prized blue Guatemalan jade.

In truth, the more one digs into our shared cultural pasts the more one finds substantial evidence of Asetian influence, teachings and art all over the globe and in all time-frames. It is a fascinating and enriching subject to explore.

To the perceptive, and often quiet. just as the arising interest in the Thursian Currents and cultural tide some years ago pointed towards the reveal of the Dragon, so too do the recent inevitable uncoverings point towards the Sumerian and Babylonian traditions detectable and also mentioned of the Order, if a seeker peruses old forum posts. All in due time, and course, as anyone learns coming from all ways of life in this Path.

I am not saying that there is no Asetian influence on those areas but aren't the Americas usually more archaeologically intertwined with Sethian history, while ancient Asetian history has stronger and deeper roots throughout Egypt, the Middle East, Asia and Europe?

Selene Skotia wrote:Try researching into the Olmec civilization of mesoamerica. They were the long lost pioneers that influenced what later became the Maya, Toltec and Aztec and they were curiously obsessed with jade! It’s in those lost deposits, only recently rediscovered, that today we find the prized blue Guatemalan jade.

In truth, the more one digs into our shared cultural pasts the more one finds substantial evidence of Asetian influence, teachings and art all over the globe and in all time-frames. It is a fascinating and enriching subject to explore.

That's a deeply interesting response, thank you. As we can possibly trace the jade to the Primordial Dragon, a mystery recently proved to be the case at least in Asia as we could see by confirmations from previous discussions in the Discord server then to echo in the remarkable tweets and Heka of Master Marques by further corroboration, involving the likes of Nadia's expertise and your own involvement in study which I appreciate as well as others nameless involved. [...]

[...] To possibly trace it to the Olmecs I wonder if it's a mere coincidence or actual historical tie to the Great Dragon... fascinating to discover and something I may have to investigate actually as I've recently taken up an interest in Mesoamerican cultures, like the Toltecs in brief but also that it should stretch to the others you mention!  

"Empress of Spirit. Ruler of Magic.
The Lady of Wood and Stone.
Your eyes mirror the starlight of the cosmos.
Your voice an unfathomable hymn of the abyss.
All bow before You, ardently or unwittingly.
Deadly heart of Yew. Immortal soul of Jade.
Your enemies crumble in terror...
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Benjamin Per Anpu wrote:I am not saying that there is no Asetian influence on those areas but aren't the Americas usually more archaeologically intertwined with Sethian history, while ancient Asetian history has stronger and deeper roots throughout Egypt, the Middle East, Asia and Europe?

That's an interesting question but none that I have any way to be sure of, just to begin my studies in the particularly Mesoamerican pre-Columbian civilizations. What I wonder is more what leads you to say that and what'd characterize it of Sethian history in your view, in that way of them being intertwined?

I think there's a possibly strong strand of Sethian influence to the founding of the United States of America but there's no way I can be certain of that either but given its strong ties to the Freemasonic sects, that on one hand I nearly presuppose to have a certain Sethian influence by its Abrahamitic influences of occult tradition but that on the other hand I could also view Freemasonry as a more neutral device that can be used by other interests. That being said, from me, is merely pure speculation and we can possibly find "non-Sethian" elements of Freemasonry too, like certain ties to the Pagan mysteries of Isis and Osiris which by teaching convolutes the puzzle; and not being initiated into that fraternity I have no definitive say.

I would like to reiterate as I did in my introduction post that I am of Chahta and tsaligi descent my father was a full blood member of our tribe as is my grandmother and grandfather.

My mother’s side my great grandfather was a 32nd degree mason.

We have shapeshifters, shamans, thunderbirds, and little people among others these spirits are real people and to any of us who know them we don’t regard them as myth.

Now I have memories deep seated within me of what I refer to as my dogs one man referring to himself as from this line came over and spoke with me for a bit it was unfortunate to see it severed so. The red rings of Rome the dancing the spirit of what I remember of what I call my heart.The dog men from Africa and Egypt we have here as well I am sure of it. I am not sure how much there is to tell in the open on a public forum as little as I know is not enough to draw attention to but if any of you are interested in discussing this further I am far more than interested in what you mean by us having sethian influence if you read my introduction post you will find where I placed my family records I have a direct line from the lords and ladies of Europe to William the conqueror. If you read between the lines and memories of the roots imbedded in time you should be very aware of what could have happened. Between history we live in moments and those moments become memories that become our lives. I want to trace the footsteps of those who came before. I do it almost unwillingly every day. You must learn from the kogi and the Hopi as they have the most public knowledge the Olmec civilizations are of interest sure but what is happening now is far more important than what happened then. If you are truly interested in this then you must understand our elders teach in lessons they will not judge where you but if you ask for specifics you will have better luck elsewhere. Speaking from experience It is of upmost value that you listen to everything that they say because you will learn between what they tell you and how you choose to follow what you learn of them.



Our lands have secrets, spirits, memories and knowledge imbedded within roots lost to us and kept hidden. I am speaking mainly of the America’s but I should refer to us all. Our elders are not so dumb as to let these things be realized in the open. However i am sure neither are your elders open to much the same. I hope you understand nothing of real interest will be found without sewing and reading lines of knowledge most of which is broken, severed and gone it can not be found on any one site and from any one person.


You must listen to the land and how the rocks fell from the mountains, where their bones lay and how fast and furious they died. You must listen with a heart that beats through the earth, you must feel our mother and understand who she is. The blood of her body the tears from her eyes the depths of her soul. You will not find these searching Olmec on the internet but you find them listening to the wind and the stars to the sun and moon you must feel the connection of all things within our web of life. The kogis speak of the golden lines of our mother you will most surely find them most intriguing. They are descended from a people that you should be aware of as being here. As we are very much still here and are not represented wholly. Find those of us not lost to time rather than those that have been swept away.