A Quick Note Regarding the Community:

[Tehom]

I have thought carefully on just how I'd formulate and write this message for what is probably years, now, so let me first explain with total sincerity that it is intended towards only a specific group of people; individuals who by reading it I hope and endeavour will know they are spoken to. I have decided to speak for compassion, and not for rage or anger, because only thing matters in the end - what I'm truly doing it for.

There may be a strong instinct within you that would deter you, had it its way, from joining the listed Discord Server or engaging in this Community beyond where you are comfortable. It may be a voice, not of just doubt but a silent one, that somewhere in the Dark urges you not to join and that it is a bad idea. I ask that you Listen to it. Please, do. You needn't justify yourself to anyone. You are perfectly fine to strongly be with this Current in Silence, if that is with the Primordial Dragon or perhaps even other forces in its multifaceted expression, and outside of any those folds, as a solitary practitioner. If you find Home somewhere inside that isn't rooted in said Community, but somewhere else in the Night, Be at Home. It's far larger and infinite than it would ever seem. You'll know what I mean.

Speaking personally, I have been a member of this Community since before two-thousand-and-twelve, technically speaking as a longtime lurker. After so much that has happened, for better and for worse, like a much older person in some ways I wish I had listened to mine. And in a parental or familial sense, having 'been there' and gotten my own taste and views thereof, it's my only remaining instinct to protect you from that experience. May the Night always be with you.

To anyone else, those decisions are totally yours and I have no reason to interfere- that is your Community and The Current's business, not my own. This is not addressed to those 'anyone else' - be it current members of the board or otherwise, and I am not liable under their judgments.

Thank you for your time.

[MysticLightShinethForth]

Featuring occultists from the underground, a wide range of honest seekers and students, and upholding one of the most protected communities I see frankly no reason for this cause of deterrence where actually those who hold honest intentions have nothing to fear.

There's nothing wrong with a solitary road. It's in fact often the path Asetianists must take. But deterring from a community that offers a wealth of value and sometimes rich in gnosis not found elsewhere I see no reason to do, especially not from someone who professes to follow the Path where private communities are very much lauded and understood to be safe havens of gathering, knowledge exchange and bonds of family so rare to be found outside of Asetianism.

You may have faced some disagreements... and had setbacks in personal experience... Does that mean it's something that has to do with how things really are for all parts involved or is it perhaps something more personal that you're now claiming to hold under compassion for others while the veiled agenda is more under deterrence due to those reasons?

There's definite value in silence and the communities revolving around Asetianism certainly don't contradict that. The question is why do you?

[Selene Skotia]

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

With that said, Asetianism has always been surrounded by disclaimers for very crucial reasoning, not only to safeguard the tradition but also its practitioners. It is an undeniably dangerous and tempting Current of Power. One where many fall, fail and disgrace themselves into oblivion if allowed to be torn to shreds by the daggers of their own egos and illusions. This is why proper guidance and responsible teaching from those far more experienced is so vital to not only success but actual survival in our esoteric reality. This may be hard to comprehend and accept to ones enslaved by their own egos and chained to irrelevant delusions of grandeur. With that in mind I really do not recommend someone unstable and not psychologically and emotionally sound to pursue this Path until they find some balance and healing.

The profound and terrifying initiations of this Tradition can affect both newcomers and older seekers, constantly probing one’s soul for signs of vulnerability and corruption. This is why selfless praxis and strong roots are so important, so one does not to fall prey not only to themselves and the weaknesses of their ego and selfish desires, but also to the many outer forces and predatory powers that seek to feed and corrupt those on a genuine road of wisdom. The Path of the Warrior many call Asetianism, and those words are not uttered lightly. We have seen both newbies as well as experienced students falling into the living webs of pitfalls and disgrace, usually unaware that they are becoming little more than puppets to forces that are using them as tools of decay. Mere cosmic food to the machinery of Sethian fall, envy and despair. I will not mention any names, as drama and vendetta are not our Ways, but the ground we walk is littered with their corpses and we have all seen such cases unfold before our very eyes with terrifying consequences to those seeker's lives and psyche. It is always sad to observe and realize, and we all should try to help those people to the best of our abilities as honor and empathy dictates, but in the end such are the ways of reality in this Path and these multilayered outcomes sing only to the drums of Giants, as the Master is known to say.

[Jonathan]

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

With that said, Asetianism has always been surrounded by disclaimers for very crucial reasoning, not only to safeguard the tradition but also its practitioners. It is an undeniably dangerous and tempting Current of Power. One where many fall, fail and disgrace themselves into oblivion if allowed to be torn to shreds by the daggers of their own egos and illusions. This is why proper guidance and responsible teaching from those far more experienced is so vital to not only success but actual survival in our esoteric reality. This may be hard to comprehend and accept to ones enslaved by their own egos and chained to irrelevant delusions of grandeur. With that in mind I really do not recommend someone unstable and not psychologically and emotionally sound to pursue this Path until they find some balance and healing.

The profound and terrifying initiations of this Tradition can affect both newcomers and older seekers, constantly probing one’s soul for signs of vulnerability and corruption. This is why selfless praxis and strong roots are so important, so one does not to fall prey not only to themselves and the weaknesses of their ego and selfish desires, but also to the many outer forces and predatory powers that seek to feed and corrupt those on a genuine road of wisdom. The Path of the Warrior many call Asetianism, and those words are not uttered lightly. We have seen both newbies as well as experienced students falling into the living webs of pitfalls and disgrace, usually unaware that they are becoming little more than puppets to forces that are using them as tools of decay. Mere cosmic food to the machinery of Sethian fall, envy and despair. I will not mention any names, as drama and vendetta are not our Ways, but the ground we walk is littered with their corpses and we have all seen such cases unfold before our very eyes with terrifying consequences to those seeker's lives and psyche. It is always sad to observe and realize, and we all should try to help those people to the best of our abilities as honor and empathy dictates, but in the end such are the ways of reality in this Path and these multilayered outcomes sing only to the drums of Giants, as the Master is known to say.

This was an excellent and thought-provoking read from Selene. I greatly enjoyed your elegant words and outtake that really expresses the thoughts of someone who has been on the actual trenches of magical growth and personal development. Very solid, mature and pertinent advice.
Highly recommend taking her words to heart, especially those who are new and less experienced. It may very well save you from a lot of pain, stagnation and magical setbacks in the long run.

Well done.

[Tehom]

Pertaining to what you've asked of myself, and you personally through my eyes as I cannot say one without the other in good-faith, I'll say this, though I prefer not to overstay on the subject:

Mystic, I'll be blunt and direct -- you always speak as though you see straight through things, and literally to anyone in the actual full know of the situation, often beyond here, it's immediately evident you see only what you want to with your words. It is so blindingly obvious the ways your opinion has been influenced and who by dancing in the colours of your letters. I have firsthand observed your views and mindset be carefully constructed over years, seen all the misunderstandings, said the silent 'No'... 's and have tried to help to no avail. Nothing has changed. You see about as well as the last time I spoke to you regarding this. It is remarkable how this Current works, because I don't even need to point it out anymore. It's just become that obvious to anyone paying silent, unbiased attention how incomplete your version of events is when you say things like 'agenda', which only began after some fervent escapism and to be totally frank with you, mob mentality began earlier this year. People lacking answers will just invent their own. Before that you saw just fine.  It really is the banner bespoke of so often. How weird, and warped the defensive position others have constructed for themselves, I really don't care how apparently wise or expert as I've learned how much that is really worth to people remaining fools, has become is so far beyond my care anymore that I literally have to look back to remember it's there, as I'm always looking forward optimistically, not even to suggest I'm beyond or ahead of anyone because I don't care about a race with you, while you're jumping to conclusion after conclusion, from personal experience usually through the misty lens of your very different worldview, ethics and morals than my own that you've been recognized to have a very arrogantly self-righteous view of, just the same as ever, and like always, getting nowhere than whatever you're told, which echoes in your criticism. I had to accept that with yourself a long time ago, and just let go.

Of course you see no reason to, etc, because as I said in the initial message, you are not one of the individuals this is directed to. I didn't make this post to speak about my situation, but said so all are aware - a member of your Community Discord dishonourably, and disgustingly stole my private, intimate workings with the Triad, over a hurt ego, including channelled writings and other serious work that took months of effort via online media, and by the very strange ways you guys see things, is apparently fit and fine to do so. This disgusted me as I'm sure it will others to more layers of contemplation than I'd like to admit and was honestly the last straw on the camel's back to believing you are as universally honourable as you claim - you are towards your own, but by gods, if you happen to be disbelieved or disliked, or picked as the odd one out, you are utterly screwed by the echo chamber, and all sorts of twisty-turny nonsense goes on until you wind up utterly betrayed, borne of nothing than paranoia. It is inexcusable what happened and regardless of whatever personal trifles go on between practitioners, no matter how personally felt this is a mark of shame that should never have happened. As disgusting as stealing a member's Violet Throne. It is absolutely sick, and I totally refuse to associate with individuals who do not see that. I don't care what rank or honour they've earned - titles mean nothing next to actions. I will absolutely choose strength over weakness.

More generally, it seems some of you seriously see yourselves as authority figures who have the right to dictate who is fit to follow this tradition, and who is not, based on biases - need I remind you that is the Will of the Triad and not a single one else, with lineages stretching back into the annals of history through millennia that unflinchingly defy the minimal scope of a few years in a single lifetime's judgment.  I also have metaphysical information to inform it was rifled through by other people. I could remain angry with you, but in the end, and by my own workings with the Current, I know silence and patience is often the better option while I see to working on things that truly matter. For now. Because liars always get exposed, dishonour always dies, and truth always comes to Light. Eventually the Serpent of justice will come back around and swallow its own tail, and then the story will be very different all of a sudden. Even if that must be through the Dark. I am not the first Occultist and by no means the first of the people I am referring to, to suffer this kind of treatment others are illusioned to see nothing wrong with and hold no objection to, as it is an unfortunate typical trademark amongst our Community that we've had to deal with for a lot longer than you can possibly understand here in this singular reading, concerning the complexities of fear, suspicion, confusion, smoke and mirrors of Predatory spirituality, but I know full-well I am amongst the people that will see to it changing. Especially now in this Era of the Serpent where all kinds of shadows to be faced are at play.

So to the more important point, continuing - the people I am talking to will know who they are, and will understand the nature of the message. That you see no reason than what you've claimed as I said reflects only weird, in the older sense, suspicion. You personally are free to believe whatever you wish when it comes to my motives, also my experience, also wherever you believe I am - as though we were talking only about your dreams, dream-away, for they are just as harmless. Like a vacation in the Bahamas, I'm off somewhere else entirely getting on with the work and leaving you to it, with a ghost, it would appear, just like I said last year, and just as I said before that, prior to realizing staying anymore was utterly pointless as I've been patiently taught by the right kinds that people thinking us dishonest, after a point, will never change, but hopefully taking the opportunity to respond to your strangely offensive, regularly insensitive and incomplete accusations will shed the light others may be missing, else I doubt you'd have felt moved to respond at all.

Now that has been seen to, which those individuals will recognize as nothing more than my own situation with your group, I'll gladly bring the attention back to the topic this thread was opened for.

[Tehom]

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

I actually totally agree with almost every word said in your post, in honesty. Seconding Jonathan. Though as ever, it is always incredibly revealing how much people Know, are aware of or have to learn, contrasted with their experienced words with the claims they make about you. My response is Thanks, all the same.

[Selene Skotia]

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

With that said, Asetianism has always been surrounded by disclaimers for very crucial reasoning, not only to safeguard the tradition but also its practitioners. It is an undeniably dangerous and tempting Current of Power. One where many fall, fail and disgrace themselves into oblivion if allowed to be torn to shreds by the daggers of their own egos and illusions. This is why proper guidance and responsible teaching from those far more experienced is so vital to not only success but actual survival in our esoteric reality. This may be hard to comprehend and accept to ones enslaved by their own egos and chained to irrelevant delusions of grandeur. With that in mind I really do not recommend someone unstable and not psychologically and emotionally sound to pursue this Path until they find some balance and healing.

The profound and terrifying initiations of this Tradition can affect both newcomers and older seekers, constantly probing one’s soul for signs of vulnerability and corruption. This is why selfless praxis and strong roots are so important, so one does not to fall prey not only to themselves and the weaknesses of their ego and selfish desires, but also to the many outer forces and predatory powers that seek to feed and corrupt those on a genuine road of wisdom. The Path of the Warrior many call Asetianism, and those words are not uttered lightly. We have seen both newbies as well as experienced students falling into the living webs of pitfalls and disgrace, usually unaware that they are becoming little more than puppets to forces that are using them as tools of decay. Mere cosmic food to the machinery of Sethian fall, envy and despair. I will not mention any names, as drama and vendetta are not our Ways, but the ground we walk is littered with their corpses and we have all seen such cases unfold before our very eyes with terrifying consequences to those seeker's lives and psyche. It is always sad to observe and realize, and we all should try to help those people to the best of our abilities as honor and empathy dictates, but in the end such are the ways of reality in this Path and these multilayered outcomes sing only to the drums of Giants, as the Master is known to say.

This was an excellent and thought-provoking read from Selene. I greatly enjoyed your elegant words and outtake that really expresses the thoughts of someone who has been on the actual trenches of magical growth and personal development. Very solid, mature and pertinent advice.
Highly recommend taking her words to heart, especially those who are new and less experienced. It may very well save you from a lot of pain, stagnation and magical setbacks in the long run.

Well done.

Thank you very much, that was really kind of you.
I always hold your voice and opinions in great regard.

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

I actually totally agree with almost every word said in your post, in honesty. Seconding Jonathan.

Don't take my words as personal or intended as an attack, I actually meant them in a general way that can be educational to newcomers here, which I know you are not. I hope they can still benefit you in some way regardless, now or in the future. Wish you all the best.

[Tehom]

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

With that said, Asetianism has always been surrounded by disclaimers for very crucial reasoning, not only to safeguard the tradition but also its practitioners. It is an undeniably dangerous and tempting Current of Power. One where many fall, fail and disgrace themselves into oblivion if allowed to be torn to shreds by the daggers of their own egos and illusions. This is why proper guidance and responsible teaching from those far more experienced is so vital to not only success but actual survival in our esoteric reality. This may be hard to comprehend and accept to ones enslaved by their own egos and chained to irrelevant delusions of grandeur. With that in mind I really do not recommend someone unstable and not psychologically and emotionally sound to pursue this Path until they find some balance and healing.

The profound and terrifying initiations of this Tradition can affect both newcomers and older seekers, constantly probing one’s soul for signs of vulnerability and corruption. This is why selfless praxis and strong roots are so important, so one does not to fall prey not only to themselves and the weaknesses of their ego and selfish desires, but also to the many outer forces and predatory powers that seek to feed and corrupt those on a genuine road of wisdom. The Path of the Warrior many call Asetianism, and those words are not uttered lightly. We have seen both newbies as well as experienced students falling into the living webs of pitfalls and disgrace, usually unaware that they are becoming little more than puppets to forces that are using them as tools of decay. Mere cosmic food to the machinery of Sethian fall, envy and despair. I will not mention any names, as drama and vendetta are not our Ways, but the ground we walk is littered with their corpses and we have all seen such cases unfold before our very eyes with terrifying consequences to those seeker's lives and psyche. It is always sad to observe and realize, and we all should try to help those people to the best of our abilities as honor and empathy dictates, but in the end such are the ways of reality in this Path and these multilayered outcomes sing only to the drums of Giants, as the Master is known to say.

This was an excellent and thought-provoking read from Selene. I greatly enjoyed your elegant words and outtake that really expresses the thoughts of someone who has been on the actual trenches of magical growth and personal development. Very solid, mature and pertinent advice.
Highly recommend taking her words to heart, especially those who are new and less experienced. It may very well save you from a lot of pain, stagnation and magical setbacks in the long run.

Well done.

Thank you very much, that was really kind of you.
I always hold your voice and opinions in great regard.

The community and its many complex branches and inner circles are indeed a fantastic resource to anyone who is genuine in the pursuit of truth and gnosis through the countless roads of Asetianism. It provides access not only to wise and regarded practitioners with decades of experience in the Craft as it gives rare insight into teachings, practices and pieces of wisdom not found elsewhere in the public eye, which can be invaluable to seekers and initiates without access to formal magical training and legitimate lines of initiation, as is the case with the OP.

I actually totally agree with almost every word said in your post, in honesty. Seconding Jonathan.

Don't take my words as personal or intended as an attack, I actually meant them in a general way that can be educational to newcomers here, which I know you are not. I hope they can still benefit you in some way regardless, now or in the future. Wish you all the best.

I did not take them that way whatsoever. I was genuinely complimented but also now genuine empathy arises in my heart considering, which is why I've returned a moment.

Let me say to you specifically that Asetianism is an extremely complicated metaphysical dynamic; it influences, it moves, and has done over the millennia, but the metaphysics of just how Asetianist energy interacts with certain systems is not wholly understood and is always developing. Appearances are remarkably deceiving in this tradition, to the point very clever individuals, who reckon themselves geniuses, can devise situations in which even the truthful and honest are pitted against one-another. As you say there invisible forces waving hands in the background at all times, and we all choose our actions carefully to combat their influence. Sometimes the wisest course of action isn't what anyone thinks it is. So I would only advise to be more cautious about your presumptions, and more patient about the development of situations. Wish you the Best, of You, also.

[Tehom]

I will also add as some posts here have been inspiring:

There are separate worlds when it comes to Asetianism, although that may not be first believed, all sharing a united, broader Universe, a front against weakness that is fully realized only by taking the steps - however one may need to. It moves and shapes the entire world. On this path meeting others you can encounter initiated Witches who come from long established lines of tradition, that while foster a powerful sense of what is right and what is wrong; what is illusion, and what is rooted in truth; what is nonsense, and what is folly, do still harbour the view models oriented on witchcraft. This also goes for others who walk Paths in which truth has been carefully ebbed out, refined like an angel hiding in Marble with hard work, self reflection, accountability, personal triumph and also necessarily loss.  This means that when encountering scenarios or situations that are rifle with complexities and seeming defiance of reason, you will encounter individuals on this Path defer to their logic and basic, well-refined sense to hone their way through the thick brambles of uncertainty, accomplished in strength through inward Surrender. This forms a keen sense of discernment, which is vital for anyone choosing to embark upon the myriad paths of any magickal tradition that will undeniably test them, visiting weaknesses sometimes in ways that are completely undesired. And as is warned constantly can leave a person broken.

However, as anyone Knows and should be wise to understand there are different Beings out there, especially now, who do not interact with reality or even reason and modals of consciousness in the same designated-relevant ways whatsoever. These individuals have their own challenges to face that are entirely distinct from those of other initiates, their minds and systems constantly interacting with exterior reality in ways that would utterly baffle most if not for their natural safeguarding defence systems and even you could say commonly dislikeable personality usually obscuring that detection of connection, to the unfamiliar would seem like delusion or nonsense much like Asetianism or Magick period does to the mundane, and can be so vast in their manifestations, that you can wind up with incredibly confused situations like this one here, where both the wise and the foolish are equally correct about one-another.

For instance, it is assumed of most initiates I notice that people come to this path most often seeking Power. Like Selene Skotia mentioned here, if you'd be a bit closer in noticing, She warns against the pitfalls associated with those who try to embrace this path dishonourably or vying for the rewards from Ego. It's basic math with many people here - X = Y = Z. And the blind don't notice, wrapped in their own illusions - the end...

It is that ^ exact formula that often ironically blinds said people to what is actually ever really going on. Some people do not visit Asetianism thinking it a place for their Power to grow, but simply because they are Called there in ways that are inhuman in process, manifestation, orientation and purpose. Vibrational included. They lead far more psychologically complex lives than even the initiated and experienced Magicians can relate to or really recognize, often finding it simply impossible to truly relate to the very-decided regardless of their will or intention. You see, there are areas in comprehension and understanding that are sometimes disproved but the fact they were, to my observation, is totally ignored in retrospect, and so the lesson repeats itself... This Path teaches as we progress, more accurately said as we learn, and that is best suited to the Soul of the individual often in case-by-case basis which is why unity is so incredibly important. But unity is not always found in forcing yourself into a place you do not fit - honest, true, loyal and dedicated, or not. Sometimes, maybe and just maybe, you fit somewhere else and that is something you've Within always known about yourself. Situations can arise, like mine, in which someone is genuine, and notices over many years that they are for the better the further they are from the Community, this can even be the case from the very start for some Beings - solo, and pursuing work alone. When they are near, while it may seem truth is being revealed, it's actually being transmuted rapidly due to the psychology of the individual in question. Of course this can be a violent process, none can deny. Sometimes in ways that are not actually conducive to growth with the wrong influences around them, and can actually leave a person blinded to aspects of themselves. With the poorer understanding of the person I reference in this text, to mean no direct offense to them, the only conclusion they therefore reach is usually that this person is probably mentally unstable or too unstable for the Current, needing as She said, healing. Ontologically true or not this actually ignores the most pivotal part of it all - which is that this may be a more complex affair that concerns, foremost, Nature of the Soul. If it is then those instabilities become weaknesses to overcome - and nothing else. And there is the problem creating a box in metaphysics constantly tested. Most here have an Asetianist perspective and it is challenging to tackle this when discussing esoteric knowledge, or metaphysical reference, when you are someone that has been considered disfavoured. Just go through the forum's history for that...

The prevailing summation Being -- those Beings I am referencing and talking about will have difficulties on this Path, and it is incredibly easy for them to wind up in situations more or less identical to the one I describe: Misunderstood, and truly little to no hope of amending that, as their every word only proves further to the minds of those practitioners, by the limited understandings gleamed of quick energy reads or utterly untrue rumours spread about them, or the sad failure to recognize and accept a worldview and way of life, moral and ethical system totally different to their own, however dislikeable they view it, they will always feature a very incomplete understanding as they simply do not walk in those same halls of Chaos. You may waste a great amount of time explaining it to them but it truly will just never sink through and the penny will not drop until that person has decided themselves ready to see, letting go of judgments - which for Us, can be ridiculously difficult to attain in others.

Take me for an example to those future people - while Yes there is wisdom in that reply, and well-intentioned passion for the Current, and while yes those walking the Path will acknowledge it best to heed those lessons, this person ultimately does not know me, and has absolutely zero clue about anything to do with the kinds of details I am considerately not mentioning in typing here. As many others. That in itself can and will prove very educational to the right types studying how we can all be better to one-another in Understanding.

No person in the history of ever that has made the real brave decisions that really mattered, or followed their vision, ever did so without opposition. Their thoughts, views and more usually seen as babble, explained away, until eventually much later on in time they can be truly appreciated for what they are. With Asetianism being ultimately the most challenging and daunting of spiritual traditions I think it only fair to acknowledge that much the case here in trying to give this warning, having a well-lucid understanding of why I choose to, per the reasons outlined in this reply.

It is up to you to follow within what you Know is real - not what Asetianists say is real, not what Masters say is real, not what anyone says is real, not what I say is Real. What doesn't need proof and exists regardless. What you'll wake up to the very next morning or returns to your stable mind once you walk away occurring deep within the Heart, Dark and Light.

I do not feel totally appropriate in all aspects of this message - it's very, very rudimentary and even automatic, believed or not, for me to sense the ways it is going to be understood and where. Regardless I want to have faith in the truth. Believe in what can sprout unexpectedly as that's where I and others really learn. Thanks.

[Tehom]

...if it is then those instabilities become weaknesses to overcome - and nothing else. And there is the problem creating a box in metaphysics constantly tested. Most here have an Asetianist perspective and it is challenging to tackle this when discussing esoteric knowledge, or metaphysical reference, when you are someone that has been considered disfavoured. Just go through the forum's history for that...

It is then - to correct myself.

[Tehom]

they will always feature a very incomplete understanding as they simply do not walk in those same halls of Chaos.

To elaborate on this note -- Asetianism in its permanent praxis views Chaos as both a catalyst for growth, evolution and Transformation, while also a source of imbalance leading to incredible danger if not handled appropriately. While an intrinsic and undeniable part of their Culture, it is as always something to be mediated with Balance and under the wise guidance of, as Selene mentioned, correct teachers - however... to the Vampire, Chaos is in fact a way of life; it is central to their every way of being, interacting, sense and confusion, where stability can be understood instead as a reference from which to perceive, influence and more directly wield reality at a given time, which to those creatures can even be referenced mentally more as a location in theoretical fourth-dimensional-sense. It is an immense source of personal Power different lineages over time have taken advantage of, independent of any spiritual Tradition than what naturally occurs within and is not forced to exclude this or prohibit that. Even Asetians themselves will understand this view, though perhaps some do as memories of far older, younger points in their initiations - that is just speculation. There are those out there who do not view it this way and remain decidedly detached from the views of most established Orders and Covens, viewing instead this naturally occurring Chaos as a fundamental aspect of their Inhuman existence, embracing its often brutal folds in ways that will go unmentioned here but concern expressions of their unique, irreplaceable inward connections to the actual source of that Power - the Underworld. This is simply part of their Otherkin existence and naturally-forming Culture, native to their Being forming an intensely predatory way of life that is distinctly related to the deliberately-obscured {and endeavoured forgotten... } truths of Vampiric mythology, all of which is quite esoteric in nature.... to put it simply, these creatures are simply proud to be what they are. And do not hide it. Though that will be very different to the expectations many walking this Path may have, we simply do not bow to any of them.

The Bond of Family and Kinship is simply paramount. This, any-one of them will understand, and should be Listened to.

With this Era as I've mentioned there are many arrivals who from prior incarnations are this way, and to whom this understanding is entirely native upon Awakening -- often defying the Human trappings of linear time, something that cannot be stopped or interrupted any more than Draconic initiations or those of dreaded Deathly Currents of Magick demanding ultimate sacrifice. Those people to yourselves may not be agreeable, may not seem like nice or good people and might even arouse intense suspicion, paranoia, or worse, as they are accused of the same tropes we have been accused of in prior lifetimes - Misdirection; deceit; counterfeit; seduction; abuse and evil; vile , demonic intent and a Will to corrupt. Their uniquely special nature of magick fuelled by emotion influencing the tides and currents of their words resulting in not always  immediately detectable change and influence. Especially unrestrained, these manifest as the people that truly evade total explanation in many cases, being strangely able and yet visibly, to the ignorant mind, disabled, but irreverently seep into the nightmares of consciousness, culture, ethos and pathos. Truly the undying scratch at the back of mundane and even magickal consciousness that something isn't quite right...  All from poor understanding that has, until now, been patiently waited on by not just the Order of Aset Ka to bring the truth to. Just as one encountering an Asetian at low energy will mistake them for this or for that from their own inner worlds, so too are Vampires by wide and large, and other forces mistaken often in the very same ways.


These words may to the right souls resonate profoundly and others merely appear mystical in suggestion... that is the responsibility we owe to ourselves. To do right by our others. Though as any Know, these words spent are a futile exercise in having others truly grasp the cold currents of Death lurking within the unmasked aura we choose to present as appropriate. You will know who you are and I am but one person. Our Culture is only natural to who and what we are as a whole. But if it is of interest then I hope these words can help guide you towards what is true understanding for ourselves, often interpreted as invisible or nothing-there than a darkness they dislike to the ones who cannot accurately adequately perceive. Ego and energy indeed have many manifestations.

Enjoy your nearabouts Full Moon.

[MysticLightShinethForth]

The greater issue than going about your bouts of drunkenness on currents of power, as far as I see it, is simply causing a deterring influence from the communities revolving around Asetianism which, as I find it, is totally unreasonable at best, dangerous at worst, as those people who'd be so deterred can easily fall into the wrong hands.

[MysticLightShinethForth]

So, let me make a counter-post to your very OP:

To those who feel there's something remarkably strange, uncomfortable in behavior and patterns, going on, feel free to reach out to safe and established sources, such as community leaders of these communities for reporting your concerns. As serious as the very subject of Asetianism is, and how many prey on its influence, I'll leave a cautionary reminder from our very own Discord server by renowned occultist Nadia Smith:

"☥ Given the secretive nature of Asetianism and the prevalence of misinformation and disruptive agendas in many public circles, if you are ever approached in a suspicious way, manipulated or coerced, are presented with dubious claims and information, or notice something that just doesn't feel right, please do not hesitate in contacting any community leaders or an administrator in this server. Privacy, security and truth is something that we take very seriously. Never be afraid of speaking up and coming forward, it is the only way to protect yourself and others as well as keep the Asetianist community a safe haven for all. There are security measures secretly in place in terms of intelligence, metaphysics and inter-community communication to safeguard Asetianists which have served us well for decades, but it's up to each and everyone of us to speak freely and contact those responsible that can validate troublesome cases and take appropriate action. Thank you."

[Tehom]

The greater issue than going about your bouts of drunkenness on currents of power, as far as I see it, is simply causing a deterring influence from the communities revolving around Asetianism which, as I find it, is totally unreasonable at best, dangerous at worst, as those people who'd be so deterred can easily fall into the wrong hands.

We'll deal with this by getting past the people-talking and returning to far more important realm of ideas, science and practical work for those actually paying attention. What is discussed here are serious forces the likes and actual real Community of which is just in truth far beyond anything this one could ever hope to grasp and probably be even aware exists. That is just how Magick goes. He has made his choices about what he wishes to believe.

Speaking as someone who actually encountered targeted bullying and harassment within an area of the Community and reported it, absolutely nothing was done to solve it. That's been my experience and I can only speak truthfully for what I have seen, and have in the distant past now gone over in my workings with the real Forces of this tradition in ritual like the rest of you. That negligence ended up resulting in a mob hunt from mine and others POV I once spoke to in private regarding it, but who's views since may have changed due to personal disagreements as I am known to have views and an approach to life, even existence that most truly do not enjoy, consider right, consider moral or proper or elitist enough, and some have literally even called evil at this time of speaking but I consider scientifically necessary - lately being proven right in the shadows beyond here ...
... When it stopped being convenient to target me just because I was present, gossiping about me while I did not even interact and was as silent as some members here from a decade ago are, it then slowly evolved into a narrative around my mental health and wellbeing, which to tell the god's honest truth simply fucking astounded me. A Community of people well-versed in some of the most advanced Metaphysical work, having studied real Otherkin and human psychology and all these different fields with real connections... utterly lost. Like I am talking just as much as regular degular Mundanes in the same situation... the same biases, the same fallacies, the same roads to misunderstanding followed blindly.  And as it later turned out, most of those people knew far, far less than I spent a very considerable amount of time believing they did, or at the very least were ready to understand, unveiled as was necessary for me to face some hard lessons about the ignorance in others and myself. I simply set my expectations way too high. I thought they would be able to see past their biases and sit with the information of what had happened without jumping to conclusions - I was wrong. I admit that openly, and sadly. That was then, which began some years ago now. I don't know what the state is now as I'm not present by choice in those communities after they've made decisions I consider dishonourable, and quite disgusting.

As for Nadia Smith's quote written long before any of this, I consider what happened between myself and herself to be tragic. I was once accused in anger of misdirection by her which is something to this very day I still quietly remark upon in bewilderment, sitting in a chair in the middle of a day or just pondering while walking. I'd had no idea where it came from to tell the truth of it. I tried reaching out a whole year later to try and see just what it is she thought the case was but she was not interested. As I've explained, this kind of thing is not uncommon for the people I am talking about -- taking the brave choice of stepping away from the Community and going it alone had the Triad reveal many things that I just was not aware of about myself, what's going on here, why I'm on this path and for what reasons, and even who for, but of course at a great cost of personal sacrifice and dedication the likes of which some people here still attacking me could not imagine of myself and I keep to silence, but notice in their attempts at distant analysis and guesswork of my spiritually complicated personal life. All of which are as totally wrong as a result as they would be about Victor's but must surely feel very right to them. The Triad works in mysterious ways and all I can say regarding that is I am comfortable in where I stand, thank you.

[Tehom]

To clarify so that nobody misunderstandings - all events described in that post occurred within the Discord Server. I can have an odd way of speaking at times - by those Communities, I mean generally decidedly not involved with others too. A wise decision while needed research and study took place in preparation for a bigger picture spiritually speaking I've been careful to not really mention at all until now out of respect for Magick and my own people, regardless of how I have been treated.

I will also add though although it is known only to myself and a small handful of others I have been faced with this kind of discrimination my entire life going back to literally when I was born. So yes I view it very differently. When I first arrived on this forum, under a different account, I was accused of and misidentified as being a completely different person with contacts and membership to a known fraudulent Occult organization by some very experienced names who are not novices by any means. I was a young boy, barely a teenager. Errors in psychic scanning can happen but considering that was mentioned as a method employed I realized even at that age not even called to Asetianism truly yet from what I remember that this was going to be a doozy. So believe me that while it may appear one way and reasonings limited they are well founded by over a decade of solid experience, almost one hundred percent of which the critics of me are just unaware. They have no idea and so like I keep claiming live in a small island of ignorance with their claims. I am just quiet about my work and do not feel need to advertise it beyond where that is useful, which makes some people unhappy with themselves I guess. And for which there are metaphysical reasons I'm grateful to have learned since. Yes I've found it far better for my development and sense of self to simply get on with the work in private solo. And I've zero shame about that regardless of how quick some may be to insist I've 'fallen', or have had this awful thing happen to me, or that, or this and that, going back years ever since I first joined that server and before there was ever any evidence to suggest such. It's a bunch of nonsense.

[Sybil Mason]

I have decided to ban Tehom for the time being, for his own safety and having his emotional wellbeing in mind. I apologize beforehand to everyone for the long time it took for me to take a stance on this case despite it being properly documented and verified for several months. As you all know he is not psychologically well and has been experiencing similarly unstable episodes for a long period of time, and in this deluded state of mind he may become a danger to himself or to others who in their innocence or lack of experience may simply not know better.

Just a note of caution to those lurking: never follow the many voices of mystical inexperience posing as authoritative or knowledgable, as that can easily put your spiritual growth and magical mastery at risk. There are many loud voices online dabbling in the weaknesses of the mundane, using manipulation and deception through longwinded narratives and allegories. The wise one knows well to ignore them, reaching only for the pure Source. This tradition poses very real risks and threats to every initiate by its potent and cryptic nature, without needing the ones less capable to taint the waters and confuse the innocent with their own bias and delusions. When you see someone casually speaking for the Triad, or falsely detailing Their Views, Plans and Will, that is a very clear banner their praxis is deprived of living Current.

If Tehom ever seeks genuine professional help and can find some respite from his emotional and psychological ailments, I will be willing to unblock him then and open the doorway once again, as I believe he is not someone evil or intentionally deceptive but merely confused and a victim of himself. Certainly not someone dangerous or that should be considered a threat in any way, shape or form, at least not metaphysically, as exposed by the very nature of his current limitations and poor judgement. This sheds some light also on the dangers of inexperience, when the many avenues of the inner plane get confused for something more...

I would ask for people to please not to take this opportunity to attack or insult him, but simply to wish for his recovery and a more balanced future. These situations are truly sad and painful to everyone involved, not something that should be mocked or joked about. Just use it as a lesson and warning for yourselves and your peers, the brothers and sisters of this Great Tribe, on always exercising caution when dealing with the potent forces of the Unknown. Strong disclaimers are present in every Asetian work accessible to the public for a reason. Thank you.

[Jonathan]

Thank you Sybil. Leadership in this community and its adjacent circles both in the underground and more at a public surface is truly quite special and remarkable. A word of praise for the honor and tact in these cases can't be understated.

I can only wish Tehom a swift recovery and that he may find himself, some actual truth beyond the veil.

Really couldn’t desire anything bad or ill for him. He is actually an intelligent and kind kid hiding behind a mask of “darkness” and fear but holding a fair amount of cultural knowledge, sadly profoundly hindered in growth and higher flights by his own instabilities, insecurities and weaknesses.
It reached community leadership a few concerning details from those close to him and who know him best of recurrent threats of suicide, so admittedly he is far from well, making this a situation that must definitely be tackled with caution and care by the medical professionals, either those in our communities or on the outside.

Stay safe Tehom. No one deserves such suffering.

[Shieldmaiden]

Em Hotep. As a sidenote of relevance, anyone new (or longstanding) to the community who may have been approached privately with promises of alternative Asetianism communities, private Asetian teachings not available to the public or by anyone claiming to be an Asetian: please approach anyone in a leadership role (Dawn, Nadia, Sibyl, Victor or Loryen) in the actual community as to avoid being deceived and mislead by less truthful agendas.

[Hound]

As individuals, folk should be able to make their own decisions about what is and isn't right for them. If someone is actively trying to disuade you from learning through experience, discovering the truth on your own terms, it's better to question why they would be so motivated to do so.

Despite all that has transpired, I do hope there is a correction of course. We used to be good friends, and I hate seeing how things have progressed.

[Lynskha]

Thank you, Sybil, for your words about what happened. I hope he will be okay. Mental health is such a delicate and important matter, and I believe we all understand moments of highs and lows, of instability, where dealing with things in an easy way is often impossible. Seeking professional help is essential, as is having the support of friends and family. Dealing with issues of spirituality and the occult is already challenging for those who are mentally stable, let alone for those who are not. I speak from personal experience, having gone through some difficult times and not feeling very well lately either. Because of this, I’ve made some decisions to delete certain social media accounts, avoid excess, and focus on improving mentally and physically so that I can continue studying and practicing. Once again, thank you for the care you have for the forum and the community as a whole.
I hope he can recover and be well.

[Benjamin Per Anpu]

I have nothing for or against said user, but why is it always the weaker links and feeble minds that make the boldest claims? It's such an odd phenomenon for me as an outside observer. This seems a recurring flaw with most occult circles with an online expression.

If you want to see how powerful someone is, look at how they carry themselves. It always proves an insightful exercise. As for the aforementioned seeker, I am always reminded that there is nothing more inherently human than the need to be extraordinary. It does not require a wise mind to see those are not the words of a powerful sorcerer, a demon or an otherkin as somewhat comically inferred, but those of a flawed human seeking to inflate his own nature without the slightest understanding of what that means. It reflects insecurity, not power. So very human indeed...

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