Re: Being a vampire

by Lynskha 12.03.19 21:03

What Maxx?

by Lightseeker 13.03.19 3:56

Jonathan wrote: Concerning Sanguinomicon, a large portion of that book is plagiarized. Compare it to your Asetian books and you will find several portions copied from Marques, as it's also found in most Sebastiaan's books which you're probably aware of. Your Watchers group certainly is as they have documented several cases on Father Sebastiaan plagiarism.

Yes, I am totally aware of that. He gains his information from various sources, I mentioned the Temple of Set as one example, you could also add the Temple of the Vampire (a COS "spin-off" order) or of course the works of Marques. However, while plagiarizing is certainly unethical, it doesn't necessarily nullify the value of some of the materials given.

by Troublemaker 13.03.19 7:02

Those are good details regarding what is mentioned about where things find their origin. I did want to add that plagiarism is indeed highly unethical but when it comes to the occult, or more specifically what was copied by Todd, it did in fact lose its occult value. Without understanding what he is copying it becomes translated in distorted form, losing its meaning. It is like the New Age artists who clog the market with their useless tarot decks. If they don't understand the Kabbalah or the important keys within tarot, they will just end up producing a deck with no magickal application, cards that will not function the way tarot should function as an initiatory device.

Anyway, you can kind of tell just by looking at the followers and even the media that is out there. It seems like every other photo is nearly pornographic, flashing some woman's body in an attempt to add allure to what should seem lifeless and highly lame. In other words, using mundane sexual appeal in order to attract followers and money. These are prime indicators that someone has precisely zero understanding about anything pertaining to the spirit, or rather, what a vampiric being's understanding should be. His followers tend to lose their minds when the inconvenient truths are discussed or pointed out but that doesn't change the reality.

Others tend to form Houses and "paths" that copy a lot from the real traditions, but in my opinion that doesn't make them valid, especially if they invest lots of time in spamming groups with endless, poorly formatted ads for their own gatherings like they are trying to sell some obscure product that no one wants. The more media-propelled self-promotion and attention grabs, the less mastery and occult legitimacy of a particular group. This is usually the formula that so often turns out to be accurate. I do want to add that Portugal has millions of people in its populace. Just because someone is from Portugal does not mean they have or had privileged contact; the Order is extremely secretive and their numbers are not large. Just adding this in for other people's benefit, as sometimes things can be deceiving.

Strigoi Vii is just another group stemming directly from Todd. It isn't a valid path in the slightest nor is it taken seriously by occultists exploring to any level of depth. That has been discussed many times over the years, and exposed solidly with countless examples. They are more of an entertainment to watch, at best, and an example of how not to be if one wants to evolve spiritually.

by Jonathan 13.03.19 8:43

Lightseeker wrote:
Jonathan wrote: Concerning Sanguinomicon, a large portion of that book is plagiarized. Compare it to your Asetian books and you will find several portions copied from Marques, as it's also found in most Sebastiaan's books which you're probably aware of. Your Watchers group certainly is as they have documented several cases on Father Sebastiaan plagiarism.

Yes, I am totally aware of that. He gains his information from various sources, I mentioned the Temple of Set as one example, you could also add the Temple of the Vampire (a COS "spin-off" order) or of course the works of Marques. However, while plagiarizing is certainly unethical, it doesn't necessarily nullify the value of some of the materials given.

I understand what you mean, since if he is copying from actual traditions there are small elements of truth about it, however I’m sure we can agree that just because he can copy doesn’t mean he can understand. There is a lot of complexity about the traditions and concepts he copies from and it’s pretty clear that himself has no real experience. Those who know him have confirmed this, he can't even manipulate or redirect small amounts of energy at a basic level.

Father Sebastiaan resembles a kid playing with the tools of his father and grandfather. He finds them all very cool, lives fascinated by them and realizes that it sells but has no real understanding of how to actually use them metaphysically.

by Nightshade 13.03.19 9:03

Why are we still talking about that guy? He made no accomplishments towards the progress and development of occult culture and magickal practice. He has continuously lied, manipulated people and twisted facts to serve his own goals and has absolutely nothing to do with the occult community or those interested in spirituality.

Shouldn’t we give him less attention? We do know he reads this forum so you’re only feeding his ego. Leave him with the fetishists and roleplayers that care about what he sells and lets focus on what is real.

by Jonathan 13.03.19 9:09

Nightshade wrote:Why are we still talking about that guy? He made no accomplishments towards the progress and development of occult culture and magickal practice. He has continuously lied, manipulated people and twisted facts to serve his own goals and has absolutely nothing to do with the occult community or those interested in spirituality.

Shouldn’t we give him less attention? We do know he reads this forum so you’re only feeding his ego. Leave him with the fetishists and roleplayers that care about what he sells and lets focus on what is real.

You do have a point, I shouldn’t have dragged into this nonsense again. You know, it’s just hard not to expose things for those of us who saw all the people he hurt and damaged to get his five minutes of fame. Most of you know how injustice moves me, so I end up talking for the innocent that may come next. You’re right though, this subject is way too old and out of place in a forum such as this one. As I previously said, only ignorance still follows this nonsense since all the facts are out there if one cares to dig around and research. There’s no need to take the word of anyone for granted, it’s all proven.

Thanks for the hitting me in the head when needed Nightshade. lol

by Troublemaker 13.03.19 9:10

That's also a good point made by Nightshade.
While on my end I get tired of seeing ignorant people push the idea that we must tolerate the guy and aren't allowed to criticize him just because it's something their immature friends might follow, he still doesn't deserve this level of attention, so this is quite valid to point out.

by Troublemaker 13.03.19 9:15

Thanks for the hitting me in the head when needed Nightshade. lol

I second this too. It is a good reminder that silence is a much better and more powerful reply to nonsense.

by Nightshade 13.03.19 9:43

Jonathan wrote:Thanks for the hitting me in the head when needed Nightshade. lol

It wasn't personal, I meant that more in a general way than about your comments. With that said, I do understand where you're coming from and your motivations. Just remember that you can't protect everyone, sometimes people need to hit with their heads against a wall to learn, grow and develop awareness.

by Jonathan 13.03.19 10:24

Nightshade wrote:
Jonathan wrote:Thanks for the hitting me in the head when needed Nightshade. lol

It wasn't personal, I meant that more in a general way than about your comments. With that said, I do understand where you're coming from and your motivations. Just remember that you can't protect everyone, sometimes people need to hit with their heads against a wall to learn, grow and develop awareness.

Don’t worry about it, I think you’re right in what you said. There are so many beautiful traditions all over the world that it’s a waste of time to focus on fictitious paths.

Wise words about growth as well.

by Heruset 13.03.19 22:53

You are 20 and bound to your ego.

Look within, read the Asetian texts over and over again and you will learn a lot about real vampirism and magick.

Looking within, you will find the answers you seek...
Looking here, you will find other egos trying to find their place and putting others down who are also in their egos.

Yes, be harsh to the dumb. Not all the people wanting to learn about vampirism are dumb. Some people never came into contact with Truth.

Find the Truth. Asetianism is a good place to begin your path if you and if you continue to be drawn to it, you will learn more and more.

The process of becoming vampiric by nature is not easy and it may take more than one lifetime.

by Lightseeker 16.03.19 8:55

Heruset wrote: Look within, read the Asetian texts over and over again and you will learn a lot about real vampirism and magick.

While the Asetian texts contain a wealth of information, I honestly have to state that - according to the archives of the Watchers - Luis Marques does not disclose all he knows (he even states that himself in the Asetian Bible's introduction). On the one hand, he chooses to portray Asetianism as "kinder" than it actually is. On the other hand, he dismisses certain aspects of vampirism, such as the existence of immortal vampires, although such can be found within the ruling body of the Aset Ka.

by Jonathan 16.03.19 11:59

Lightseeker wrote:
Heruset wrote: Look within, read the Asetian texts over and over again and you will learn a lot about real vampirism and magick.

While the Asetian texts contain a wealth of information, I honestly have to state that - according to the archives of the Watchers - Luis Marques does not disclose all he knows (he even states that himself in the Asetian Bible's introduction). On the one hand, he chooses to portray Asetianism as "kinder" than it actually is.

That is true, it’s pretty much granted that Luis Marques doesn’t disclose all he knows and even his true abilities. One of the reasons is obvious and he goes over it as the responsibility of power, since you can imagine what would happen if some of those techniques and knowledge became public. People always end up abusing power, so much of it has to be conquered by those who are ready and worthy. Another reason seems to be humbleness and this one is speculation on my part, since it’s clear that Luis Marques doesn’t want to be seen as this mighty powerful vampire and leader, he always rejects fame and being the spotlight as that is a central part of his teachings. It’s also possible to take into account a third reason, which relates to the strategic and warrior element of the Aset Ka, and it aligns with how certain martial traditions approach destructive power: don’t show your enemies what you’re capable of so that if one day your forces clash they will have no idea of what you can really do.

I also agree with your view that he portrays Asetianism in a kinder way than it truly is but you must understand that those are books intended for a public audience worldwide. Initiates are very much aware that Asetianism is much darker and far more dangerous than it appears to be at first sight. Some have lost their mind in this path and others their life, as your group has also documented throughout the years.

by Troublemaker 16.03.19 12:04

I enjoyed reading that response. It was pretty thorough and well-educated.

by Lightseeker 17.03.19 8:51

Jonathan wrote:Initiates are very much aware that Asetianism is much darker and far more dangerous than it appears to be at first sight. Some have lost their mind in this path and others their life, as your group has also documented throughout the years.

Yes, Jonathan, we have numerous examples of that on record. That doesn't only apply to Asetianism, but to every serious occult system. Magickal work is not something to be undertaken lightly, especially if it is work of the LHP. That is the reason why the Watcher Group does not encourage its members to pursue the LHP actively.

by Nightshade 17.03.19 9:43

Jonathan wrote:
Lightseeker wrote:
Heruset wrote: Look within, read the Asetian texts over and over again and you will learn a lot about real vampirism and magick.

While the Asetian texts contain a wealth of information, I honestly have to state that - according to the archives of the Watchers - Luis Marques does not disclose all he knows (he even states that himself in the Asetian Bible's introduction). On the one hand, he chooses to portray Asetianism as "kinder" than it actually is.

That is true, it’s pretty much granted that Luis Marques doesn’t disclose all he knows and even his true abilities. One of the reasons is obvious and he goes over it as the responsibility of power, since you can imagine what would happen if some of those techniques and knowledge became public. People always end up abusing power, so much of it has to be conquered by those who are ready and worthy. Another reason seems to be humbleness and this one is speculation on my part, since it’s clear that Luis Marques doesn’t want to be seen as this mighty powerful vampire and leader, he always rejects fame and being the spotlight as that is a central part of his teachings. It’s also possible to take into account a third reason, which relates to the strategic and warrior element of the Aset Ka, and it aligns with how certain martial traditions approach destructive power: don’t show your enemies what you’re capable of so that if one day your forces clash they will have no idea of what you can really do.

I also agree with your view that he portrays Asetianism in a kinder way than it truly is but you must understand that those are books intended for a public audience worldwide. Initiates are very much aware that Asetianism is much darker and far more dangerous than it appears to be at first sight. Some have lost their mind in this path and others their life, as your group has also documented throughout the years.

Well stated Jonathan. I agree with several points you made here.

by Victor 18.03.19 9:07

Jonathan wrote:It’s also possible to take into account a third reason, which relates to the strategic and warrior element of the Aset Ka, and it aligns with how certain martial traditions approach destructive power: don’t show your enemies what you’re capable of so that if one day your forces clash they will have no idea of what you can really do.

by Lightseeker 19.03.19 1:27

Victor wrote:
Jonathan wrote:It’s also possible to take into account a third reason, which relates to the strategic and warrior element of the Aset Ka, and it aligns with how certain martial traditions approach destructive power: don’t show your enemies what you’re capable of so that if one day your forces clash they will have no idea of what you can really do.

Honestly, do you not think that a REAL enemy - meaning one that can be taken seriously - will have this information anyway? It's like with the US and Russia - each side thinks the other doesn't know about their capabilities lol. The ROS has its high-level spies and infiltrators in the AK and the other way round.

by MysticLightShinethForth 19.03.19 3:16

I'd never dream of a spy entering the Order of Aset Ka, but maybe I'm mistaken?

by Jonathan 19.03.19 6:16

Lightseeker wrote:Honestly, do you not think that a REAL enemy - meaning one that can be taken seriously - will have this information anyway? It's like with the US and Russia - each side thinks the other doesn't know about their capabilities lol. The ROS has its high-level spies and infiltrators in the AK and the other way round.

We know that there are spies in the communities and in Asetian circles however that doesn’t mean that the Order has been breached. They have really tight security and the experience to back it up. If I were you I wouldn’t believe that the ROS has spies inside the actual Order. If that was true history would have been written very differently.

by Troublemaker 19.03.19 6:48

This makes a lot of sense and I don't think the Order would be breached like that. However, I have read that the Anubians were able to go behind enemy lines and infiltrate the ROS. Does anyone have thoughts on that?

by MysticLightShinethForth 19.03.19 7:11

I think that the Anubians can specialize at that given that they might not be as noticeable as the Asetians. The Asetians, apart from Asetianists, would be perhaps more easily detected for what they are by someone as keen in observation as the Sethians and their Red Order who also must have documented since a long time ago how the Asetians might appear or be detected in one way or another. The details of the Anubians might concern the Sethians too, of course, but maybe their Council has managed to preserve and maintain themselves in the shadows a slight bit more as they are rightfully called "The Shadow"?

by Jonathan 19.03.19 8:13

The Anubians had (maybe still have?) a division that was specialized in espionage and black ops which was directly sanctioned by the Council of Anubis. Lets not forget that they were also known for their skilled assassins, which might not have much purpose in this day and age when warfare is explored in a different way. Not to mention that the Aset Ka has no interest in the politics of men and that is usually a realm more closely guarded by the influence of the ROS. We have two experts in Sethian operations in this forum but I don’t think they will be inclined to openly comment on this.

by Maxx 19.03.19 8:22

Do you imply if one gives out any info, the other is trained to assassinate the other???

by Jonathan 19.03.19 10:19

Not in that way, no. I don't think assassinations were a tool to control information as there are far more clean and reliable methods for that.

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